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Duty to who? You're bordering on obsessive and if anything doing yourself a huge disservice. Don't you have something more productive to do with your time rather than spend so much energy repeating yourself over and over on products you apparently have no interest in anyway?

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uniQ said:
lolNirK you're the worst Apple troll ever. You come here flogging the same dead horse ad nauseam and the only person that you're winding up is yourself.

Who cares what a similar spec gets you honestly? Buy what you like and can afford.
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I don't understand why people have the need to spend all of their time desperately trying to convince people that Apple are bad when all they have is their opinion (that they push as fact). It's totally bizarre.

Even people who were being nice towards him in the other thread (when such an obnoxious individual doesn't deserve it) ended up being flamed and then he resorted to childish replies such as "Trololol" when his argument fell apart for the umpteenth time.

No doubt he'll continue to embarrass himself in this thread...

uniQ said:
Duty to who? You're bordering on obsessive and if anything doing yourself a huge disservice. Don't you have something more productive to do with your time rather than spend so much energy repeating yourself over and over on products you apparently have no interest in anyway?

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He's like an obsessive religious person, pushing his opinion on everyone, over and over again. Which is ironic really given his comments.
 
I wasn't repeating myself I was talking about power consumption. Anyway you have a point about wasting my time.

LOL Robbo you say I am wasting my time and should find better things to do... Have you actually seen your post count and the amount of time you seem to spend on these forums? Talk about hypocritical. Anyway you have a point I am not going to say another word about apple because it is a waste of time.
 
very good but you don't need that cooler for it you can use a stock cooler if not overclocking you certainly don't need an nh d14 for a 3.4 ghz stock setting with turbo mode enabled.

tj07 is a bit ott for the build too.

I'll bite anyway



YOUR BASKET
1 x Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" Widescreen LED Monitor - Midnight Grey £439.99
1 x EVGA GeForce GTX 680 Superclocked 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with FREE Assassin's Creed III & FTP Currency £400
1 x Samsung 500GB SSD 840 SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7TD500BW) ** Cash Back Promo ** £266.99
1 x Intel Core i7-3820 3.60GHz (Sandybridge-E) Socket LGA2011 Processor - Retail with Dead Space 3 PC Game £239.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance RED 32GB (4x8GB) DDR3 PC3-14900C10 1866MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit (CMZ32GX3M4X1866C10R) £209.99
1 x Samsung 256GB SSD 840 PRO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7PD256BW) ** Cash Back Promo ** £179.99
1 x Gigabyte X79-UD3 Intel X79 (Socket 2011) DDR3 Motherboard £169.99
1 x Antec High Current Pro 750W Modular '80 Plus Gold' Power Supply £139.99
1 x Lian Li PC-8FIA Aluminium Midi Tower Case - Silver £120.95
1 x Microsoft PL2 Wedge Mobile Bluetooth Keyboard (U6R-00006) £49.99
1 x Pioneer BDC-207DBK 8x BluRay ROM / DVDRW SATA-II Optical Drive - Black (OEM) £49.99
1 x Windows 8 Pro Upgrade Edition - from XP SP3 / Vista / Windows 7 £44.99
1 x Logitech Anywhere MX Mouse with Darkfield Technology (910-000873) £39.95
1 x Asus PCE-N53 300Mbps Dual-Band Wireless-N600 PCI-E Adapter £35.98
1 x Microsoft LifeCam HD-6000 Notebook for Business £31.98
1 x Akasa USB 3.0 SuperSpeed Memory Card Reader with eSATA (Internal header) (AK-ICR-17) £22.99
1 x Cooler Master Hyper T4 CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £20.99
Total : £2,491.37 (includes shipping : £22.20).

 
NirK said:
LOL Robbo you say I am wasting my time and should find better things to do... Have you actually seen your post count and the amount of time you seem to spend on these forums?
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Haha, so much for "I won't read your posts you're on ignore". :D

Making a few posts a day on a forum is hardly taxing (well, it might be for you). Especially when you consider everyone is equipped with phones/tablets/etc. However you're dedicating your time to something that is completely futile as your opinion is not fact. One day you might realise this.

NirK said:
Anyway you have a point I am not going to say another word about apple because it is a waste of time.
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That'll be the day... no doubt you'll be back later.
 
Well I am not really dedicating any time, post a message which takes 30 seconds to type... Anyway im not saying anything else and you can go back on my block list.
 
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I did have something more to say about the nuances of the TCO thing but since this is the latest thread to get out of hand I'm not going to bother.

It would be really great if some people just simply ignored each other. Surely that's the path of least resistance.
 
lamboman said:
edGfaCTor, this is a completely a genuine question, are you trolling just to have a bit of fun in response to the other thread? I'm not accusing you or anything, I'm being completely serious.

Anyhow, this forum seriously needs a moderator who can:
a) Show an interest in the Apple subforums;
b) Detect threads that are going to become flamewars;
c) Invoke temporary bans for those who troll, whether intentionally or not.

Quite honestly, every other subforum on OcUK has managed to stay helpful, but in recent times this one has gone down the drain.
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The problem is the flames/trolls go both ways in this forum and previously any "bad" word said against apple, even by people who own some products, are instantly ban/thread closing worthy.
 
Neodite said:
Your basket

Samsung 512GB SSD 840 PRO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7PD512BW)
Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" Widescreen LED Monitor - Midnight Grey£439.99
Intel Core i7-3770 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail
Samsung 256GB SSD 840 PRO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7PD256BW)
Asus GeForce GTX 660 DirectCU II 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
NZXT Phantom 630 High Performance Modular Full Tower Case - White
Avexir MPower Yellow Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C10 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit (AVD3U16001008G-2CM) x2
Microsoft Windows 8 64-Bit DVD - OEM
Gigabyte Z77-HD3 Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard
Corsair 2013 Edition Gamer Series GS 600W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (CP-9020063-UK)
Logitech K350 Wireless Keyboard (920-002012)
Creative Live! Cam Chat HD 5.7 Megapixel Webcam With Built In Microphone
TP-Link N600 Wireless Dual Band PCI Express Adapter (TL-WDN3800)
Gigabyte ECO600 1600DPI Wireless Gaming Mouse - Black
Akasa Internal Media Card Reader (AK-ICR-07)


Sub Total : £1,863.02
Shipping : £0
Total: £2240.06

But dont let choosing the most expensive stuff for no reason hold you back :p

*EDIT* before anyone else says it. It you are looking at an iMac are you not after an all-in-one solution? So would getting a tower + monitor not be silly?

A closer comparison would be

Asus ET2701INTI-B063K
[ET2220IUTI-B010K]

Asus All In One Touchscreen PC

Intel Core i7-3770S 3.1GHz
8GB RAM
2TB HDD
Blu-Ray Player/ DVD-RW
Wi-Fi
TV Tuner
USB 3.0
HDMI
Card Reader
Webcam
Slim and Space-Saving Design
Windows 8

£1,619.00.

After you get the better CPU/GPU/More memory you a looking at around 2k tho.


OR Dell

XPS One 27


Processor

3rd gen Intel® Core™ i7-3770s Processor (3.10GHz, 8MB)

Operating System

Windows 8 64bit, English

Monitor

27" Multi Touch Screen (2560 x 1440) with Articulating Stand

Memory1

8GB2 Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz

Hard Drive

2TB (7,200rpm) SATA Hard Drive + 32GB SSD (Intel SRT)

Video Card

NVIDIA® GeForce GT 640M 2GB DDR5 Graphics Card

Optical Drive

Blu-Ray Combo (BluRay read, DVD/CD read & write) Drive

Keyboard

Dell KM713 Wireless Keyboard & Mouse - UK/Ireland

Wireless

Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6235 802.11 a/g/n + Bluetooth 4.0

£1,679
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The Asus isn't really comparable either unfortunately, it's only a 1080p monitor, so you'd need to add on £300 to start.

NirK said:
It was just a post for comparison of performance for £££

The PC posted would look alright as well as it has a lian li case and a 2713 monitor. I know it is not exactly the same as a mac it was just an example, purely for performace for the money.

Just for anyone interested as that was the gist of the original post, I was offering a more affordable system with the same performance as an example. The 680mx is somewhere between a 660 and a 660ti for performance.
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Take it you don't have a smartphone or Laptop then? They are expensive for performance/£...

Either way a full ATX size gaming machine does NOT work compared to a highly engineered machine. The same reason Laptops are more expensive than desktops (and smaller laptops more expensive than 15" laptops). Almost all the parts are custom (even processors in some) in AIO's.
 
I like my OSX eco system, 10 years of windows previous experience and continue to use them at work, they do what they do but i just like Macs now.

It's pretty, it's nice, its quiet, it does not take up any space as I basically have the monitor and no tower.

A windows machine could be 50% cheaper and I would have to think hard before going back to it. In fact, had the same conversation with someone on another forum about this as he claimed he could built the same spec for 50% of the same iMac. He can't. At best he could get to is around 80%, but that still come in a tower, no 3 year warranty either.
 
I made one for 62% of the price built and delivered same spec.

The apple 3 year warranty costs extra.

That is all goodbye.
 
NirK said:
I made one for 62% of the price built and delivered same spec.

The apple 3 year warranty costs extra.

That is all goodbye.
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Lol I doubt it, I have a feeling you have missed out things such as.

1 - web cam and mic (its in the screen)
2 - Lack of Thunderbolt
3 - to the same db noise level. 1 db over and you are out and i mean it.
4 - Need both 128G SSD and 1TB HD inside to match.
5 - 10bit 27 inch 1440p IPS TFT

Missing a single part is mission fail, so that it is the SAME spec. Anything else is Lesser spec.

That is before you get the same form factor, if that rule is enforced then you can't built one yourself to that size no matter what.
 
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I'll bite :p

YOUR BASKET
1 x EVGA GeForce GTX 680 Superclocked 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with FREE Assassin's Creed III & FTP Currency £400.00
1 x Hazro HZ27WB 10-Bit 27" Widescreen Professional Monitor - Black £399.95
1 x Intel Core i7-3770 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £249.95
1 x Gigabyte Z77X-UP4 TH Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £161.99
1 x Seasonic 520w FANLESS '80 Plus Platinum' Modular Power Supply £129.98
1 x Crucial RealSSD M4 128GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive (CT128M4SSD2) £98.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 8 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00403) £79.99
2 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TED316GM1600HC11DC01) £79.99 (£159.98)
1 x OcUK Tech Labs - Prolimatech MK-26 Multi-VGA-Cooler - Spectre Pro 140 Edition £69.96
1 x OcUK Tech Labs - BitFenix Shinobi Core Midi Tower USB 3.0 Case - White - Noise Dampened £64.99
1 x Toshiba (7K1000.D) 1TB SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache - OEM (DT01ACA100) HDD £51.95
1 x Corsair Hydro H40 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+/FM1/775//1155/1156/1366) £38.95
1 x Logitech C310 HD 720p 5 Megapixel Webcam £29.99
1 x OcUK Ultra-Slim Wirelesss Desktop Set (6311ARF) £19.99
1 x Logitech X-140 2.0 Speaker System (970264-0120) £17.99
1 x TP-Link 300Mbps Wireless N PCI Express Adapter (TL-WN881ND) £16.99
1 x Akasa Internal Media Card Reader with Bluetooth (AK-ICR-11) £9.98
Total : £2,032.16 (includes shipping : £25.45).



I chose the GTX 680 as the iMac has a downclocked desktop 680. Underclocking the card to iMac levels would definitely help with less heat and fan noise.

For the rest of the system, I have no idea on the heat/noise generated. I did consider watercooling but there's just too many parts to factor in and I'm not that clued up on them.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Lol I doubt it, I have a feeling you have missed out things such as.

1 - web cam and mic (its in the screen)
2 - Lack of Thunderbolt
3 - to the same db noise level. 1 db over and you are out and i mean it.
4 - Need both 128G SSD and 1TB HD inside to match.
5 - 10bit 27 inch 1440p IPS TFT

Missing a single part is mission fail, so that it is the SAME spec. Anything else is Lesser spec.

That is before you get the same form factor, if that rule is enforced then you can't built one yourself to that size no matter what.
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yes I know it is not the same form factor etc etc.

All I am saying is that you can have the exact same spec with webcam and all that stuff, maybe not thunderbolt but everything else for 62% of the price. You can believe me or not I am not really bothered but I did it a couple of days ago and that was the cost for the same spec / slightly better with all components etc.

Also the 680mx is nowhere near a GTX680... It is somewhere between a GTX660 and a 660ti.

My examples earlier in the thread were better, they have better screen and were identical / slightly better performance.

I was simply saying that you can get the same performance for 62% of the price of a mac, probably less if I did not use things such as a lian li case and other nice components... I could get the price down to about 55% with low budget parts such as case etc. And still have identical performance and a monitor which is as good as the imac (Dell 2713). Yes you do not get the things that people say they like in apple macs such as designer styling etc. But I was just saying that you can get identical performance and same/better screen for 60% of price.

I am not saying that imacs are not worth the money because this is entirely subjective to the buyer... I am just saying that it is possible to get identical / better performance for that price with a nice case and monitor included.
 
The GTX 680 has more cores, which are actually a lot more useful in applications such as Photoshop than raw clock speeds.

Also underclocking the GPU by a moderate amount will help significantly with heat, and subsequently noise. Funny how you are deliberately leaving this out of every comparison.
 
I am not leaving anything out because i genuinely do not care as I do not have an apple and do not need to justify it. I was simply putting facts down out of interest.

It is not difficult to build a quiet and heat efficient PC. Maybe 5 years ago it was but now you have a massive selection of silent cases and fans etc. and the cooling would be better on a PC due to the size of the heatsink.

I am not sure how having an underclocked GPU can be considered as a plus but each to their own as they say.
 
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