Could you Torture?

arknor · 23 Jun 2013 at 15:25

I could as long as it's not kids or animals but I have barely any empathy

^TANK^ · 23 Jun 2013 at 15:50

It would entirely depend on what they had done. It would have to be pretty bad, but yes I could do unimaginable things to someone like tickle their feet or poor cold water down their back for example.

Gackt · 23 Jun 2013 at 15:52

isonomicjedi said:
I think you have misunderstood or mis-wrote I dont want religious people to torture others I want them tortured.

Perhaps I wasn't clear.

There is no logic in torturing somebody simply because they hold religious views. What kind of reasoning do you have that would justify such barbarism?

A name is just a name, would you brand anyone named after anyone in the Torah, Bible, Koran religious without question or would you discuss it with them to find out their views.

Associating yourself with a religious group usually implies an affiliation or agreement with their views/practices.

I was simply pointing out that you would torture anyone religious (presumably including the elderly, disabled and children), and yet you have a name that is associated with a religious group.

You ask me if I would discuss their views with them, yet you advocate torturing them simply because they hold views.

https://www.turn2me.org/
www.mind.org.uk
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/stress-anxiety-depression/Pages/mental-health-helplines.aspx

These links can help you find professionals trained to deal with your problems.

Good luck.

Schlong&Stable · 23 Jun 2013 at 15:53

I am very much capable of mature discussion. In fact, I would consider severe mental illness as a topic of such mature discussion. Your post shows signs of somebody either posting wildly outrageous comments to gain a similarly outrageous response, or somebody who requires urgent medical attention.

Please check yourself into a medical facility where you can be monitored under controlled conditions, your presence in society is truly disturbing if you hold those views. For the sake of those around you, I hope you follow this advice. You need help.

When will you demonstrate this ability for mature discussion? Right now you're just demonstrating a profane level of both ignorance and arrogance. You've got the 'ances down to a tee, that's for sure.

Are you telling me that if someone brutally butchered your family and showed no remorse, you'd feel no urge to torture that person? If so, I think it's you who needs to check into a medical facility.

Kenai · 23 Jun 2013 at 15:56

ITT: Seriously dangerously mentally disturbed people or crap trolls. You decide.

Gackt · 23 Jun 2013 at 15:57

Thompson_NCL said:
When will you demonstrate this ability for mature discussion? Right now you're just demonstrating a profane level of both ignorance and arrogance. You've got the 'ances down to a tee, that's for sure.

Are you telling me that if someone brutally butchered your family and showed no remorse, you'd feel no urge to torture that person? If so, I think it's you who needs to check into a medical facility.

No, I wouldn't. I would want them to receive justice. I don't let my emotions control my actions. Some of us have climbed further up the evolutionary tree than others.

isonomicjedi · 23 Jun 2013 at 16:00

Gackt said:
Perhaps I wasn't clear.

There is no logic in torturing somebody simply because they hold religious views. What kind of reasoning do you have that would justify such barbarism?

Associating yourself with a religious group usually implies an affiliation or agreement with their views/practices.

I was simply pointing out that you would torture anyone religious (presumably including the elderly, disabled and children), and yet you have a name that is associated with a religious group.

You ask me if I would discuss their views with them, yet you advocate torturing them simply because they hold views.

https://www.turn2me.org/
www.mind.org.uk
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/stress-anxiety-depression/Pages/mental-health-helplines.aspx

These links can help you find professionals trained to deal with your problems.

Good luck.

As my OP stated religious people are just top of my list and the proof of the need of their extermination is the past and present wars caused by the diabolical beliefs they instill into pepole.

I dont ask you discuss their views with you I asked whether or not you automatically presume everyones religious beliefs by their name.

I already have more than enough professionals dealing with me thank you.

Schlong&Stable · 23 Jun 2013 at 16:03

Gackt said:
No, I wouldn't. I would want them to receive justice. I don't let my emotions control my actions. Some of us have climbed further up the evolutionary tree than others.

There is no truer form of justice than natural justice.

If evolution is making us more passive, then I hope I am further down the evolutionary chain. I couldn't imagine ever being so dispassionate about the people I love that I would not feel the need to punish those that harmed them.

Kishywish · 23 Jun 2013 at 16:04

Gackt said:
No, I wouldn't. I would want them to receive justice. I don't let my emotions control my actions.

I'd like to think the same, but if those I care about were affected, then I can't say if emotion would get the better of me.

Would I regret it afterwards? Maybe.
Would I be satisfied? Definitely.

Gackt · 23 Jun 2013 at 16:17

Thompson_NCL said:
There is no truer form of justice than natural justice.

If evolution is making us more passive, then I hope I am further down the evolutionary chain. I couldn't imagine ever being so dispassionate about the people I love that I would not feel the need to punish those that harmed them.

I don't know what kind of 'natural justice' you're talking about that involves torture.

There's a difference between wanting to punish someone for having done you wrong, and methodically causing deliberate severe pain, distress and abuse to another person or creature to satisfy your lust for revenge.

It serves no purpose other than to satiate your desires, it won't undo the damage, and it won't stop it from happening to others. Violence tends to beget violence. What would stop their loved ones coming and torturing you, or your family because you tortured theirs? Where does the line stop?

Freefaller · 23 Jun 2013 at 16:28

isonomicjedi said:
As my OP stated religious people are just top of my list and the proof of the need of their extermination is the past and present wars caused by the diabolical beliefs they instill into pepole.

I dont ask you discuss their views with you I asked whether or not you automatically presume everyones religious beliefs by their name.

I already have more than enough professionals dealing with me thank you.

I'm Christian, you don't know me at all, I'm a nice guy and I have never harmed a person physically and although unfortunately in the past have upset a few by indiscretion, ignorance or immaturity in the past. I have a loving family around me and do good by everyone I meet. I work hard, enjoy a community spirit and do my bits for those that need my help .

But because of my beliefs you'd torture me?

Would you REALLY inflict pain for the sake of it to a person because of their beliefs? Even as a form of retribution? Really??

It takes more courage and dignity to forgive and help a person that has erred than it does to inflict evil back onto a person.

An eye for an eye is not a moral or acceptable way of life.

Freefaller · 23 Jun 2013 at 16:31

Gackt said:
I don't know what kind of 'natural justice' you're talking about that involves torture.

There's a difference between wanting to punish someone for having done you wrong, and methodically causing deliberate severe pain, distress and abuse to another person or creature to satisfy your lust for revenge.

It serves no purpose other than to satiate your desires, it won't undo the damage, and it won't stop it from happening to others. Violence tends to beget violence. What would stop their loved ones coming and torturing you, or your family because you tortured theirs? Where does the line stop?

Couldn't agree more. Well said.

ElliorR · 23 Jun 2013 at 16:33

Sliver · 23 Jun 2013 at 16:34

Freefaller said:
I'm Christian, you don't know me at all, I'm a nice guy and I have never harmed a person physically and unfortunately upset a few by indiscretion ignorance or immaturity in the past. I have a loving family around me and do good by everyone I meet. I work hard, enjoy a community spirit and do my bits for those that need my help .

But because of my beliefs you'd torture me?

Would you REALLY inflict pain for the sake of it to a person because of their beliefs? Even as a form of retribution? Really??

It takes more courage and dignity to forgive and help a person that has erred than it does to inflict evil back onto a person.

An eye for an eye is not a moral or acceptable way of life.

I'm an atheist and I agree with the above. People who generalise and pigeon hole people based on 'labels' are making a fundamental error in their thinking. These people are often more of a problem than the people they are trying to denigrate.

dpbadger · 23 Jun 2013 at 16:57

I torture myself. I am a Leeds fan.

isonomicjedi · 23 Jun 2013 at 17:00

Freefaller said:
I'm Christian, you don't know me at all, I'm a nice guy and I have never harmed a person physically and although unfortunately in the past have upset a few by indiscretion, ignorance or immaturity in the past. I have a loving family around me and do good by everyone I meet. I work hard, enjoy a community spirit and do my bits for those that need my help .

But because of my beliefs you'd torture me?

Would you REALLY inflict pain for the sake of it to a person because of their beliefs? Even as a form of retribution? Really??

It takes more courage and dignity to forgive and help a person that has erred than it does to inflict evil back onto a person.

An eye for an eye is not a moral or acceptable way of life.

I know my views may appear extreme to some but I truly believe that religion has done nothing to improve society as a whole throughout history. And I would rather post what I believe than just post something that I didn't believe.

Even by being part a religion in what may seem to you as a non-damaging role you are still perpetuating religion's existence so therefore in my view you are doing great evil to the world.

theleg · 23 Jun 2013 at 17:03

Thompson_NCL said:
Are you telling me that if someone brutally butchered your family and showed no remorse, you'd feel no urge to torture that person? If so, I think it's you who needs to check into a medical facility.

So which members of your family were brutally butchered? You know, cos youre so sure about how people SHOULD feel after experiencing such a thing. You must have experienced it yourself right?

Freefaller · 23 Jun 2013 at 17:04

I'd hazard a guess I undoubtedly have done more good in the world than many and dare say - you. Though it's not a top trumps competition.

I feel sad for you that you genuinely have these feelings of hatred towards certain people and hope that you find some balance and comfort away from those antagonistic and hateful feelings. There is too much of that in the world, why propagate further animosity in the world? Surely that's more dangerous?

I'm sorry you wish me ill will and others similar to me, and hope that you find some comfort in your life despite your negative and aggressive views.

theleg · 23 Jun 2013 at 17:08

I dont particularly like religion and believe its done a lot of harm to the world...but id take religion over people who would torture others simply for their views any day of the week.

Destination · 23 Jun 2013 at 17:08

isonomicjedi said:
As my OP stated religious people are just top of my list and the proof of the need of their extermination is the past and present wars caused by the diabolical beliefs they instill into pepole.

I dont ask you discuss their views with you I asked whether or not you automatically presume everyones religious beliefs by their name.

I already have more than enough professionals dealing with me thank you.

As my response stated you'd be torturing over a billion people on the planet.
You have serious issues if you actually believe what you are typing.
I think you are a low level troll within this thread and don't actually believe what you are typing, else your views are threatening.
You should have a psychological check.