council tax and single people...

locutus12

locutus12

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just curious... since im a single person... why do i have to pay one and a half peoples council tax??? i.e. the "single persons discount" on council tax = 25% off. why isnt it a fair 50% as i am only 1 person.

and another thing... i want to buy a house, how the hell am i supposed to do that? i can barely afford to rent a council property in the arse end of nowhere (midlands) let alone buy my own place :( "Britain has the longest sustained period of economic growth for 200 years" - Gordon brown.

Well Mr brown, regardless of our nice strong economy, let me tell you it sucks to be single. you get the feeling that the system in general is geared towards couples and familys, but what about me ??? :( what about all the other single people in there early 20`s struggling to pay the gas bill let alone pay the rent or buy a house :(
 
locutus12 said:
just curious... since im a single person... why do i have to pay one and a half peoples council tax??? i.e. the "single persons discount" on council tax = 25% off. why isnt it a fair 50% as i am only 1 person.
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your home uses the same amount of street lighting , road cleaning , policing etc whether there is one or two people living there
 
Rotty said:
your home uses the same amount of street lighting , road cleaning , policing etc whether there is one or two people living there
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it uses 50% of the cleaning (waste), the police get only £53 of the total council tax, the fire brigade gets only £23, the remaining £683 goes to the city. also it should be noted that im in a 1 bedroom flat in a high rise run down hell hole of a block paying the same ammount as a 3 bedroomed house in the next area over.
 
locutus12 said:
it uses 50% of the cleaning (waste), the police get only £53 of the total council tax, the fire brigade gets only £23, the remaining £683 goes to the city. also it should be noted that im in a 1 bedroom flat in a high rise run down hell hole of a block paying the same ammount as a 3 bedroomed house in the next area over.
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move house then or appeal to the council to have your flat rebanded. I moved from west lothian to north lanarkshire, went up to a more expensive banding and still pay almost £200 less a year..

I agree though should be more than 25%, but then again I don't think OAPs should be paying it at all :p

not that I'm an OAP!
 
Rotty said:
looking back the poll tax was probably the fairest system where everyone paid the same
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Of course it was fair. That was the reason there were protests about it. People don't actually want fair taxation, they want someone else to pay more than them....
 
Rotty said:
looking back the poll tax was probably the fairest system where everyone paid the same
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Hmm... Shame it didn't work out. What bites me, is that I pay for our house and I can, at best create a full wheelie bin of rubbish in two weeks, with some paper and a few bottles..

I pay the same as the guy down the road, he has twice as much rubbish, has cars parked all over the street, he even has two extra paper and bottle bins, always full and he pays the same as me... Shocking really.

Anyone notice though, how rude the bin collectors are and how they think they own the road, and never give a thought to anyone and throw your bins around.. Many a time I've come home, bins all over the drive, no care taken rubbish halfway up the street..

You call the council to complain, no one answers and when they can be bothered to listern, like they care anyhow they send you a stupid form to fill in, and thats that... I shake my head, but for the money they charge it's a disgrace... As for the money I give the police, useless *****, unless you are speeding... Then they are all over you..!!

I agree that 25% isn't enough, but what can you do. Don't pay, go to jail, pay and get ripped I'm afriad.. Another fantastically fair UK Tax system..

Yeah right.. :rolleyes:
 
The burden of local taxation falls on the homeowner and that is so unfair it's untrue.

As said, the Poll Tax was a far more fair system in that everyone pays for local government services and not just the homeowner.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Why not take your quaestion to the top ?

Rt Hon Gordon Brown MP
Chancellor of the Exchequer
HM Treasury
1 Horse Guards Road
LONDON SW1A 2HQ
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how can that ****** be Rt Hon... :D Two fingers I say..!! But then he'd tax you for using too many fingers at one time... Perhaps give 25% off for only using a single finger.. :p
 
Von Smallhausen said:
The burden of local taxation falls on the homeowner and that is so unfair it's untrue.

As said, the Poll Tax was a far more fair system in that everyone pays for local government services and not just the homeowner.
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Man, I agree...!! I "should" have said that. Well put..!!
 
Few things them people you ring at the Council pay Council tax too, they are not the ones who decide to increase it, my cost of living pay rise the past 4 years has been 2.95% I can gurentee that my Council tax has increased more then that.

So the poll tax was fair?

4 people to a house over 18 all paying poll tax seperatly or 4 people to a house paying a share of 1 Council tax bill?

locutus12 I am in the same position as you, lowest Council tax band and I live in the most depribed area of Littlehampton in a 2 bed flat, yet my friend lives in a bungolow, semi detached in a posh area and pays less then me on a higher band.

I dont earn a great deal a year, but I have two kids and a wife who would like to stay at home and see to their welfare so moving isnt possible. I remember being a kid and people could rent a property off the council without being 14 and having 2 kids and being a single mother.

Mad world to me the people that follow the rules of life, house-job etc are worse off then those that play the game of benefits.
 
Dolph said:
Of course it was fair. That was the reason there were protests about it. People don't actually want fair taxation, they want someone else to pay more than them....
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yep , riots by the great unwashed and non working got rid of it and as usual the decent majority sat back and said nothing
 
gaz316 said:
So the poll tax was fair?

4 people to a house over 18 all paying poll tax seperatly or 4 people to a house paying a share of 1 Council tax bill?

Mad world to me the people that follow the rules of life, house-job etc are worse off then those that play the game of benefits.
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Poll tax was fair. Everyone contributed equally for the local services that they used from libraries to street cleaners etc.
Living in a house doesn't cost the council anything but 4 adults will use 4 times more public services than 1 adult. So yes Poll Tax was fair. Council tax is not.

I agree with the rest of your statement though. Married working couples are getting screwed over to pay for Labours home grown electorate of immigrants and single mothers.
Having children is a luxury and incredibly expensive if you're a couple in work. Childcare locally is in excess of £9000 per year. So if you have 2 kids ......
Of course the single mum down the road got given her house, we had to buy ours (£200k at todays prices), she has 5 kids and never works, we have to remortgage to afford a year off with our new one for my wife.
Hardly fair at all.
 
iv-tecman said:
how can that ****** be Rt Hon... :D Two fingers I say..!! But then he'd tax you for using too many fingers at one time... Perhaps give 25% off for only using a single finger.. :p
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Well why don't you channel that feeling into a constructive letter ?

The Right Honourable Gordon Brown, MP.
Chancellor of the Exchequer
HM Treasury
1 Horse Guards Road
LONDON SW1A 2HQ

Chancellor,

I write to you as I consider the current levy of Council Tax for single persons to be unfair. I live on my own and the discount for that is currently twenty five percent and I believe this does not go far enough to help the single person who is already struggling to get on the housing market as it is due to increasing prices.

Does the Government have any plans to help single people more as home owners as in increase the discount to fifty per cent, a far fairer figure to me ? I would like to know how I and others can be helped further and I look forward to a reply.

Your sincerely



PS

You have something in common with Pelicans as in you can shove your bill up your **** !


You may wish to omit the last bit, but you get my point. Do it. Get writing and post your respons when you get it. I would be interested to know what the response would be.
 
kitten_caboodle said:
er...families, yes, but couples...how exactly? As far as I'm aware I'm no better off as part of a couple than I was single.
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The system is geared to families and not couples I agree. However, surely you must be better off living as a couple than living as a single person. I know if I was part of a couple my living costs would go down a fair amount (not by 50% but they would be markedly less).

As for the council tax side of things, I'm definitely getting less of 'my monies worth' than other people get out of it. No tax though is going to be totally fair really. Probably only income tax is relatively fair. Instead though they choose to tax us with lots of individual taxes so we don't really see how much tax we are paying. I would be interested to know how they came up with the magical 25% less figure.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Well why don't you channel that feeling into a constructive letter ?


You may wish to omit the last bit, but you get my point. Do it. Get writing and post your respons when you get it. I would be interested to know what the response would be.
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Much better -

The Right Honourable Gordon Brown (Nose), MP.
Chancellor of the Exchequer (I hold the purse strings so sod yah)
HM Treasury (We want more money.com)
1 Horse Guards Road
LONDON SW1A 2HQ

Chancellor,

I write to you as I consider the current levy of Council Tax for single persons to be unfair. I live on my own and the discount for that is currently twenty five percent and I believe this does not go far enough to help the single person who is already struggling to get on the housing market due to increasing prices. A price you deem fair, so as you can live a lavish lifestyle and continue Brown nosing it, whereas I have to work countless hours so as I can afford to “keep Britain” importing millions of newly registered Labour voters.

I know the Government have many more plans to help single people, such as more taxes, more speed enforcement officers so as when I rush my payments to you, I get an ultimately fair standard speeding penalty to help pay for all those speed cameras to catch all those dangerous, yet legally registered drivers, and more tax on buy to let homes so as those who STAND no chance of becoming a home owner can struggle some more. Or perhaps the Government have planned an increase to the council tax discount to fifty per cent, a far fairer figure to me ? I would like to know how I and others can be helped further and I look forward to a reply.

Your sincerely



PS, how does the prime ministers botty smell these days?


I'll let you know how I got on from HM Prison, where I'll then really start to get a better life.. :rolleyes:
 
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