CPU bottleneck confirmation

[urmom]

After posting about stuttering and fps drops i received lots of theories but the thread became longer and confusing so here is my setup including some info/changes i made along the way:

* MOTHERBOARD: Gigabyte H510M H 1.1 rev
- upgraded BIOS to latest F18
- Speccy link HERE
- theory about vrm overheat => TEMPS after 30 min game session

* CPU: Intel I5-10400F
- linpack tests: Benchmark / 8G, 2GB stress tests crashed pc about instantly
- game sessions with different overlays settings HERE and HERE (low video settings)
- Speccy link HERE
- PC-BUILDS bottleneck calculation with CPU priority tasks HERE (CS2 is CPU heavy)

* GPU: NVIDIA RTX 3060 8Go GDDR6, OpenGL 4.6, Microsoft® DirectX® 12, Vulkan API, NVIDIA GPU Boost™
- gpu was MSI overclocked, i undervolted it (after the videos) and i got aprox 50 less peak fps with same drops/stutters
- GPU-Z link HERE

* PSU: KOLINK
- pic HERE

* RAM: 16Go
- Speccy link HERE
- Memory status HERE
- Task manager performance HERE

* SSD: 1To NVMe

* CASE/FANS: KOLINK
- 3 frontal regulable ventilators + 1 in the back
- pics: FRONT / SIDE / REMOTE
suggestion to add 2X THIS on top

* STOCK CPU COOLER
suggested upgrade HERE

* MONITOR
- Speccy link HERE (g sync set up non existent in nvidia control panel)

If it is the CPU:

I originally wanted 230+ fps stability on 5v5 CS2 and correlated my stutters with when my fps dropped under 170 even tho i used a 144hz monitor..

I might later change to a 240hz but i could definitely just get a stable 144 fps without doing board upgrade (etc) as long as i dont fall for the bottleneck again, for example i got suggested the 11600K wich has 33.9% and the 11700k wich has 28.6%, and the best option 11900k doesnt go below 28%.

I dont know if these numbers really matter but to me it seems pretty close to my current bottleneck.

So do you think i have to upgrade my board (etc) to get rid of my bottleneck or can i get 144 stable fps just upgrading CPU?

 

[urmom]

IF the CPU is what you need

Then you are still unsure if thats the problem?

 

[urmom]

Missclick didnt mean to post that yet i was still searching for all the stuff its a lot to learn and consider.

Basically im fairly new to gaming and firt timer on pc analytic, my game felt more and more laggy and i thought that came from seeing my fps drop below 180 or but i was on 144HZ monitor, only then i realized i that its not really what makes my

game so *****. When i was getting 220 on normal 5v5 that was what i tought was good and wanted to stabilize that range by upgrading.

My question is what would you upgrade if you had the choice ?

So if i can stabilize 144 fps just by upgrading CPU and RAM for example, or even cooler i would be ok: *** NO COMPETITOR LINKS ***

But if i can upgrade board etc not for not that much more money and get actually stable 144 fps + easier upgrades in the future i will go for that

 

[urmom]

Stop looking at bottleneck calculator websites - they are about as accurate as me predicting the lottery numbers.


What RAM have you actually got?

Have you tried your GPU actually at stock volts/speeds rather than messing about with it (it may that whatever you've done is actually causing the stuttering)



Looking at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiqojNU-RBg&t=923s, the stuttering you are experiencing is probably just normal 1% and 0.1% lows - even considerably better CPUs than yours experience issues, just they have more outright performance to ensure those lows don't drop <144fps



I think you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist

RAM info: Speccy / perf / mem status / HWINFO64 dual channel all i know 2X 8GB i think

Yes i did remove overclock and tested, undervolted it and tested, it dropped peak fps by about 50 but my goal was to stabilize at 144, the problem is the game still feels laggy repetitively no matter what and i still drop at or below 100, thats why i
thought something was really wrong with a component specifically.

Today i rechecked 1% lows after seeing these charts it seemed too odd that i got only 5-8 with msi overlay, i dowloaded capframeX and turns out its more between 50 - 70, that's still 70 less than on the chart.

I also ran furmark2 GPU test and CPU test for more info

 

[urmom]

Have you tried a different game? It could just be an issue with CS2 rather than a hardware issue.

yes i thought about that, not playing many games, that it could just be CS2 not optimized but its also on basic Minecraft game, like over 10 render distance its already buggy, even when fps doesnt drop, same as CS2

 

[urmom]

btw this pc is 8 months old, csgo was running good almost 200+ stabilized, then with the update more around 180, then i overcloked to reach 200+ after also some fix updates but then got these bugs and drops wich i cant seem to remove

 

[urmom]

Nothing to do with CS2 not being optimized, there have been issues with CS2 (I specifically had a stuttering issue with an AMD card that was related to shader caching that needed an updated driver to resolve)

Stuttering on CS2 can also be related to mismatches between Refresh rate, fps cap (both in game and graphics drivers), and whether you're using GSync or not.


Minecraft isn't a good test of anything - try another real game.



Take a stick of RAM out and actually post a picture of the sticker on the side of it please. No matter how many different screenshots you post doesn't show us what the actual physical hardware is - just what speed it's detected at.

My nvidia driver is up to date, didnt find that shader cashing driver only THIS from nvidia control panel, wich i set to 100 after deleting direct X cache a week ago following THIS video.

I recently capped cs2 via Riva Tuner at 144 and fps_max 160 on steam launch options, i am almost sure my monitor doesnt have gsync, at least no setup on nvidia Control panel

real game my point is that its said to be easy to run and it relies on single core CPU perf. What do you suggest, would COD warzone or another free game be ok? i have PUBG installed

RAM STICK

 

[urmom]

thermal/power throttling. your stock cooler can not cope even 65w average.

i dont see your post cos its been deleted - no competitor links. but i can see above where Craig_d1 quoted. pls dont buy that 32 Crucial ram 68 euros. its laptop memory.

ok my love just for you i wont <3

 

[urmom]

did u connect gpu to monitor with dp cable or hdmi.

HDMI

 

[urmom]

I'm not saying that it is that, just that CS2 (and CSGo) before that have been well known for stuttering issues.


Your monitor should have AMD Freesync, which NVIDIA settings should still detect as GSync basic or something similar (can't remember the terminology), but as @H2S04 has said depends how your monitor is connected HDMI or DP?


Yes minecraft is dependent on single core performance, but it's java based and there are all kinds of random oddities with it.


The RAM is rubbish then - it's just generic ram chips, CL22! and explains why it doesn't manufacturer or SPD details in your screenshots

I see. Monitor is HDMI connected, gsync setup should be near audio setup in this pic from what i learned.

Could the RAM be the problem then? I m running benchmarks now i update later

So would you want a PUBG or other game overlay video?

 

[urmom]

Yes.

1. It is not clear exactly what is happening and where/what the problem is, e.g. IS what you're experiencing just normal for your hardware? OR, is there is an actual issue that needs fixing.
and
2. IF the CPU is the problem, there's also this:


In other words: you're going to be bottlenecked if you upgrade the GPU, or bottlenecked if you upgrade the CPU and I don't have enough information from the benchmarks available to me, to reliably predict which upgrade is the best one.

I'd suggest you take the troubleshooting route being suggested above, so that we can identify if there is an actual problem, or if your hardware is performing normally.

Free benchmarks like 3D Mark Timespy and Cinebench will give you a comparable score and that's also helpful in identifying if your PC is working fine, or not.

*3D Mark Timespy Results:
- Summary: https://ibb.co/KKSWNGj
- System info: https://ibb.co/5s3Hjcc
- Settings used / detailed scores: https://ibb.co/wQ2xPm0
- Detailed monitoring: https://ibb.co/71qjWT1

*Cinebench Results:
- Summary: https://ibb.co/n77bR61
- GPU Rank: https://ibb.co/RBxFBDw
- CPU multi core Rank: https://ibb.co/9svwDVB + TEMPS after 9/10 min
- CPU single core Rank: https://ibb.co/3vRCpQk

 

[urmom]

Certainly won't help, while you obviously can't run faster than 2666mhz with that chipset, the latency is rubbish.


I don't want any overlay videos

But you are better looking at synthetic benchmarks like 3dmark suggest above to check your hardware is in the ballpark of other people.
Then try some single player games to see if they experience stuttering (to rule out network latency etc).

i get it could PUBG practice mode do the trick?
Also you said about network latency, i play on WIFI could that be a factor? I sure noticed lags and drops when i had no ping problem but idk

 

[urmom]

if you're going to upgrade board, cpu and ram. forget the 11th gen intel..it's old...also if you look at chart above, 11600 isn't that much more than a 10600..same cpu, just overclocked really....look at the the bottleneck it's causing with the 4090....you're getting 246fps, 1% low 157 and 0.1% 118, so you'll still get stutters...now compare that to the 7600, really bottom of stack for amd current gen...375fps, 224 1% and 185 for 0.1%
sorry, just reread and seen mobo not included, but just not convinced dropping 300euro is worth itat this point if this is your game of choice...upgrade your gpu again, and you'll be back in the same boat with the 11600....

Yeah if i upgrade the board thats the idea, i might even switch to AMD config with or without 3060 according to the benchmark results. The 11 gen was only if i could change the minimum and get 144 fps stability but now it sounds improbable.
You are saying the 11600K would be bottlenecking my 3060 8GB or the contrary i didnt get it. I should upgrade my GPU for the 12 gen + CPU right?

 

[urmom]

Good: your CPU is maintaining the advertised boost clock.
Good: your graphics card is maintaining the core/memory clocks.

Good: your graphics score is (more or less) correct for a 3060 8GB.


Good: multi score looks alright.
Good: single core looks alright.
Bad: CPU very hot, but this is common for Cinebench multicore.

So then its just rubbish ram and bad CPU cooler that cause these lags? Some internal CPU throttling?
Still no lead problem subject?

 

[urmom]

Are you using WiFi by any chance?

Yes, i found the adapter name: realtek 8821CE wireless LAN 802.11ac PCI-E NIC. Dont know if thats a cause in itself but i noticed these lags even when ping was fine.
Tomorrow i receive VESA certified DP cable and test with gsync on to see if there is any change

 

[urmom]

Add a cat 5 cable to that.

i dont have the box in my room, its next door. Are you implying wifi multiplayer gaming = stutters and lags?

 

[urmom]

It can be, hence why testing some single player offline games would be a good idea. (To rule out any lag based issues you are noticing, or whether it's just a cs2 issue)

i m on it, but today the router is bugging i m on phone hot spot. I planned on downloading War Thunder, Destiny 2 or COD Warzone i thought those would be real enough games

 

[urmom]

Wifi stutter/lag is usually more something you notice, e.g. you fire at someone and they're not there, because they reappear 5 metres to the left.

Whereas, performance stutter/lag is something you can feel, because it feels choppy and not smooth, the response to your mouse/keyboard movement is poor and the frame rate drops.

There are engines that mix the two, but that's the typical distinction.

then i think i can make the difference. I also learned about the therms input lag, screen tearing, surely there are more i'm not sure i m precise with the ones i used but i think you got it in how you define performance stutter/lag

 

[urmom]

Very much so. Maybe add a drill bit, pin hammer and box of clips to the list.

you want me to make a hole through the wall for ethernet or are you trolling?
If not sry that was a genuine question, and i cant make that hole i am just a studio tenant I would have to have my own internet installed

 

[urmom]

Sorry @jigger i didnt mean to offend, i saw armageus react haha on your penultimate post telling me to get other cable and then it switched to odd items i thought smth fishy could be going on unless i was right about ethernet.
Anyways i am just a studio tenant i cant really do that, alternative would be to get my own internet but even tho wifi is not optimal tetras differentiated network lag from performance lag and i experienced enough internet lag to recon the difference.
Unless you are saying it affects stuttering/lag beyond ping performance.
Idk about that adapter but the wifi should be high end: WIFI TEST