CPU cooler essential before even minor OCing of E6600??

[Kua]

Hi,

I know I have a ton of reading to do before I embark on an OC (if there's an absolute beginners guide that you've found useful please link it). But I'm comfortable with the BIOS and starting to get to know benchmarking/monitoring utilities, so I think its time to have a bosh.

My current rest temp for the CPU is around 40 C according to Everest (although it lists Core 1 as just over 50 C - which is confusing especially as there is no stat for Core 2).

Can I attempt some minor OCing without purchasing a cooler or is that inadvisable in any circumstance?

Ta.

 

[RJC]

Double check temps with Core Temp & Real temp.
What is your current cooler.

 

[Kua]

Double check temps with Core Temp & Real temp.
What is your current cooler.

1. 50 according to core temp but 55 accoring to Real temp.

2. Errrr.

 

[RJC]

Seems a little high for idle, you might be running the Intel Stock cooler.
Run Prime 95 or Orthos as is and see what your full load temps go upto, if they go above 75c ~ stop and you may need to invest in a different cooler like you mentioned in your opening post.

The Arctic cooling freezer 7 pro is a good cooling in my personal experience.

 

[Kua]

Been running Prime95 a couple of minutes and the temperature is flittering between 67 and 68c so far.

A few minutes in and it just started to reach 69 (tee hee!). So I guess its going up, slowly.

This is according to Real Temp. Why is there such a marked difference between that and Core temp (which is consistently 5c lower)?

As I write we've gone above 70c (isn't this exciting).

Looks like a cooler will be required...

My constant editing must be annoying for anyone who's thinking of replying, but its gone down again slightly again now. So I guess we're looking at ~70c under stress.

 

[Kua]

The Arctic cooling freezer 7 pro is a good cooling in my personal experience.

OK cheers. Unfortunately its OOS. Am I right in thinking its just a case of replacing this with the Intel Stock cooler? I've read about thermal paste which sounds a bit messy and like it could go badly wrong . Would I need to buy some of that? Or would I literally just need to buy the cooler?

EDIT: Oh well. Went ahead and bought this. Seemingly it spins a lot faster, which I imagine is good for a cooler . Its only three quid extra anyways.

 

[freddie64]

The 5c difference will be the Tj. Max.
Real temp will probably say 85c and core temp will say it is 80c.

Or vice versa.

 

[4T5]

EDIT: Oh well. Went ahead and bought this. Seemingly it spins a lot faster, which I imagine is good for a cooler . Its only three quid extra anyways.

That don't look no better than stock to me, No bother though it'll still do 3.0Ghz.
I have an AC64 on mine but I have strapped a 2nd fan to the back of it so I have 1 fan pushing air & 1 pulling air through the rad
Post back when your cooler arrives & we'll talk you through the instal, It's a piece of **** to fit with the clips they use nowadays.

 

[Kua]

That don't look no better than stock to me

HUH?!?! You can't be serious. What about the Artic 7? Is that in some way better? I'm utterly clueless I'm afraid. Like I say I just noticed the Alaska one has more rpm.

Post back when your cooler arrives & we'll talk you through the instal, It's a piece of **** to fit with the clips they use nowadays.

Cheers. I appreciate it. Will I need to use thermal paste?

Tj. Max.

Um... I'm going to google this. But perhaps you could explain what this is in err layman terms.

EDIT: TJ Maxx offers women's and men's apparel, teen and kids' clothes and brand name accessories at affordable prices.

ROFL

Presumably this is the US version of TK Maxx

 

[freddie64]

Re: Tj max

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It is the maximum junction temperature that the CPU's core is allowed to achieve. It is specified in the processor's data sheet, and in the case of Intel processors (I haven't looked at AMDs) the processor starts throttling at an unspecified point before that temperature is reached to protect itself from damage. At Tj max, the case temperature will be (typically) about 20C lower (according to intel's spec sheets)

Taken from another forum.

 

[Big.Wayne]

Can I attempt some minor OCing without purchasing a cooler or is that inadvisable in any circumstance?

Hey Kua,

you can overclock using the stock cooler no problem. The chip will get hotter but shouldn't be a problem. I like to start overclocking with the Stock cooler to see how things go, then once you start cranking up the CPU MHz and adding vCore (CPU Voltage) and starting to see the feeble stock cooler struggling its nice to then slap on a big mama and rejoice in your new found idle temps lol!

Oh well. Went ahead and bought this
Akasa AK-955 CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775)

£12.64 inc

Heh that's £12.00 down the swanny!

This is my fave bang-for-buck HSF atm . . .

Akasa AK-965 CPU Cooler

£10-£16 inc

 

[zia]

currently have my e6600 at 3.4 on air using zalmon9700 cpu cooler. temp with core temp avg between 45*c idle 55*c load

zia

 

[Kua]

Hey Kua,

you can overclock using the stock cooler no problem. The chip will get hotter but shouldn't be a problem. I like to start overclocking with the Stock cooler to see how things go, then once you start cranking up the CPU MHz and adding vCore (CPU Voltage) and starting to see the feeble stock cooler struggling its nice to then slap on a big mama and rejoice in your new found idle temps lol!

Meh I needed you at the start of the thread.

Heh that's £12.00 down the swanny!

LOL is it in some way worse than the Artic 7? I'm entirely clueless.

Luckily it hasn't been dispatched and I've asked OCUK to pause the order because I had second thoughts about another item I ordered (its a long story). I'll probably go ahead and cancel now.

 

[Bigdogbmx]

I used to have a very similar Akasa cooler to the AK-955 pictured and I think it kept my E4400 at about 50c with an overclock of about 600mhz. Its not bad but pretty loud.

EDIT the second one with the heatpipes looks a lot better tho!

 

[Big.Wayne]

Meh

Heh!

I fully understand how confusing it can be trying to pick out a component amoungst dozens of choices, everyone telling you different things, who to believe etc etc

I've used quite a few coolers and there is plenty of good choices to be made, although as started above I don't mind starting off with the stock cooler and use that until the point the CPU temps are getting silly. The disadvantages to the supplied cooling is that it won't let you overclock your CPU as much as you could with a premium jobby . . . but it will still do the job kinda. The stock coolers tend to be a bit noisy when running at full pelt . . which they have to be as they are so feeble and last but not least the Intel Push-Pin system is not great to work with heh!

When you start paying out extra money for a product its got to offer you something, in the case of a 3rd party heatsink this will be . .

• Lower Temps than Stock Cooling
• Quieter than Stock Cooling
• More Shiny than Stock Cooling
• Easier to fit (and refit) than Stock Cooling

Good temps, quiet, nice looking and not a hassle to get a good solid fit, time and time again, these are the things that overclockers dreams are made off!

You have plenty of choice, just the one you choose above is a munta!

 

[Kua]

This is my fave bang-for-buck HSF atm . . .

Akasa AK-965 CPU Cooler

£10-£16 inc

Bought and (after enough cursing to last me a lifetime) installed this. I'm a little concerned about the thermal paste because I took the cooler out and reseated it a few times. Removed a bit of dust while I was there. I'm now down to a much more respectable 41-42C per core at idle according to RealTemp (i.e. 15C less than before). Time to get my hands dirty in the bios.

EDIT: Heck it only took me three months.

EDIT2: Hm, I've just come back to the PC after about an hour and its gone up a few degrees. Under stress, its around 63C (once again in RealTemp) which is only a 7C improvement, which doesn't sound like a great deal...

 

[cobuk]

Hi,

I know I have a ton of reading to do before I embark on an OC (if there's an absolute beginners guide that you've found useful please link it). But I'm comfortable with the BIOS and starting to get to know benchmarking/monitoring utilities, so I think its time to have a bosh.

My current rest temp for the CPU is around 40 C according to Everest (although it lists Core 1 as just over 50 C - which is confusing especially as there is no stat for Core 2).

Can I attempt some minor OCing without purchasing a cooler or is that inadvisable in any circumstance?

Ta.

get a thermalright ultra 90 or 120 i have the same cpu as you hand my stock temps are 30c and 48 load havent tried overcloking just gotta 920 gonna try with that tho

 

[Kua]

get a thermalright ultra 90 or 120 i have the same cpu as you hand my stock temps are 30c and 48 load havent tried overcloking just gotta 920 gonna try with that tho

See above post

BTW do you use Coretemp? I get lower temps there: ~40C/58C. I just read somewhere on the internets that Coretemp is somehow better for 65nm processors. I kinda prefer it because it gives a lower reading . Still your readings are much lower... I wanted to go for a budget option though.

 

[cobuk]

See above post

BTW do you use Coretemp? I get lower temps there: ~40C/58C. I just read somewhere on the internets that Coretemp is somehow better for 65nm processors. I kinda prefer it because it gives a lower reading . Still your readings are much lower... I wanted to go for a budget option though.

yea i use coretemp, what case and how many fans have you got o bout extra fans and this help a lot my case aint that good i think its called an xblade or summit just checked my temps and ther both 28/29c idle

 

[Kua]

yea i use coretemp, what case and how many fans have you got o bout extra fans and this help a lot my case aint that good i think its called an xblade or summit just checked my temps and ther both 28/29c idle

Its a Thermaltake Sorpano. Fans: Um just the one in the case, I think... Might have to look into that lol.

My cable management is horrendous. If I did a better job of that there would probably be more room for airflow.

I'm thinking that as it stands there isn't a great deal of room for OCing. I just read (once again on the mighty internets) that keeping 30C+ from tjmax at stress (I'm using Prime95 btw - although may be I could just go by the most stress I'm likely to put the CPU under) is advisable.

If I go by Coretemp's judgement of tjmax (85C) that means I shouldn't OC at all!