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CPU naming moan

Caracus2k

Caracus2k

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Not unique to CPU's obviously but does anyone else get maybe slightly irrationally annoyed at the tech companies whipping through their numbered naming schemes so quickly?


For example circa 7 years ago we had the '1000' AMD set of CPU's.... fine a whole new architecture so a complete break from the past naming schemes was in order.

Then the 2000 and 3000 series came along and they mostly justified their numbering schemes AMD didn't even try to have us over with the 'XT' CPU's which stayed in the 3000 series .

But then there was the 4000 series and now the 8000 series that are just rehashes of existing CPU's with slightly more capable integrated GPU's on them.

AMD completely missed out launching a 6000 desktop set of CPU's and so now the next release of desktop CPU's will be the '9000' series, maybe only half way through AM5's life cycle of CPU's.


Obviously Intel are no better having enagaged multiple times in offering for sale to the public almost the exact same CPU's, architecture wise, based on the same processing node in successive 'generations' of chips.
 
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Caracus2k said:
maybe slightly irrationally annoyed at the tech companies whipping through their numbered naming schemes so quickly?
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Nope, it's a number to indicate the product generation.

I will say though I'm surprised by the 8000 series naming. The entire point behind skipping 4000 series desktop Ryzen was to bring the architectures for desktop, mobile and APU back in line with each other, yet AMD have jumped to 8000 for Zen 4 APUs. Are they sufficiently different from Ryzen 7000 to warrant a generation name jump? And I mean more different than having a proper graphics system on it, rather than a few of basic unit to drive a couple of monitors.
 
I do find it irritating sometimes. To us people we will do research. But the general public will see 4000 series laptop Vs 3000 series desktop,must be better right? Nope. My family are so technically illiterate, they still haven't worked out the TV remote, nevermind all the different options within the options menus. I remember a time when I was setting up my Xbox 360. My mum looked at it and literally said "what is it?" "What's it for?" Once I explained what it was,she looked bewildered. Some people are just not into technical things,and that's who these products are aimed at. Either that or I'm Oliver twist.
 
I'm not so much annoyed by things like generational indicators (aka 4000, 5000, 6000 etc) as I am dodgy names that give the wrong impression.

The AMD 5700 (non X) is a good example of this, the average person will see that and assume it's a slightly lower clocked 5700X. It isn't, it's a 5700G without the IGPU, which lacks a bunch of features by comparison to the 5700X.

For example, PCI-E 3.0 rather than 4.0 and half the L3 cache.
 
Gray2233 said:
I'm not so much annoyed by things like generational indicators (aka 4000, 5000, 6000 etc) as I am dodgy names that give the wrong impression.

The AMD 5700 (non X) is a good example of this, the average person will see that and assume it's a slightly lower clocked 5700X. It isn't, it's a 5700G without the IGPU, which lacks a bunch of features by comparison to the 5700X.

For example, PCI-E 3.0 rather than 4.0 and half the L3 cache.
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That's exactly what I thought it was. Same thing happened to me with the 5500 I bought. I didn't realise that it had half the cache compared to the other chips .But I've installed it now. I suppose I'm the general public now:D At least I have the excuse of being a pee head. (I'm not proud about it, but at least I admit it)
 
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ooStevo said:
That's exactly what I thought it was. Same thing happened to me with the 5500 I bought. I didn't realise that it had half the cache compared to the other chips .But I've installed it now. I suppose I'm the general public now:D
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It's not a bad chip by any standard, and in the case of the 5500 it can be had for a really good price at times.

But for someone looking to make a budget gaming rig, or upgrade an older AM4 on the cheap? Something like a 5700 might end up looking very appealing at first glance.
 
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It's not a bad chip by any standard, and in the case of the 5500 it can be had for a really good price at times.

But for someone looking to make a budget gaming rig, or upgrade an older AM4 on the cheap? Something like a 5700 might end up looking very appealing at first glance.
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I paid £90 for it. I'm upgrading from a W3850 4c/8t and 12gb 1333 ram. So it should be a pretty big jump performance wise. Maybe when I sober up I'll finish the build.
 
Joxeon said:
No doubt 8000 desktop parts will be out soon so AMD probably wants the APUs to look current and not old hat.
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Pretty sure the next 'desktop' parts will be branded the '9000' series and the '8000' series will be ised for just the few APU's AMD have released so far using the branding.... hence part of my complaint.

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Agree that they should have called the just launched APUs the 7x00G series and the next full desktop release be the 8x series.

as for the motherboards, surely it'd make more sense to do the 'skip a number' thing when moving to the new socket (i.e. x570 > x770 rather than x670 > x870 both on AM5)

As @pandem0nium said though, it's probably to make it seem like a bigger move forward than it actually is
 
The 8000 series chips are actually a completely different design, im hoping they are not going this way for 9000 series otherwise its going to make my TG Micro Direct Die water block useless, 8000 APU's have no IO die, and the main die is lower than current chiplet design, but theyve obviously refined something better than Zen 4, people are overclocking 8700G to 5.3ghz all core and running nearly 11,000MT/s ram speeds stable with them, I can just about get 8000MT/s out of the 3 Zen 4's that I have now.

Im sure by now most of you would have seen this and didnt use anything special to do it, no extreme cooling, just everyday items: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/9601...n-amd-ryzen-7-8700g-by-overclocker/index.html if you have a look over on another overclock forum, everyone is buying them and doing it, so they must do it quite easily.

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Stuff like the 5500/5700 should have the Duron naming structure, that'd make it nice and simple, just like intel has released modern Pentiums and Celerons so we know to avoid them like the plague :D

It is best to just bother to read stuff though jokes aside and research it before buying.
 
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Hold on, I’ve been working 8 new number series ideas to fit between our current numbering system. So far I’ve completed three. First is an S within a circle. Second is an X with a square in the lower quadrant and thirdestly is a Bolivian flags turned sideways with a picture of the two Ronnie’s arm wrestling.

It’s going to change the CPU naming world! Just waiting on the copyright and licensing deals! Watch this space!
 
keef247 said:
Stuff like the 5500/5700 should have the Duron naming structure, that'd make it nice and simple, just like intel has released modern Pentiums and Celerons so we know to avoid them like the plague :D

It is best to just bother to read stuff though jokes aside and research it before buying.
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Tbh I actually did know it has half the cache. What I didn't know is it is Pcie-3. That stung a little. I'm not really bothered though because the mighty GT 1030 seems happy for now.I'll drop in an X3D chip down the line. Also Duron sounds like some sort of female Tampax product. I'd not take keef247's advice AMD.
 
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