CRT dead? why?

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Why does no one sell CRT monitors anymore??? They are technically better than any TFT yet even the "hardcore massive" dont seem to want to know.. even though they are clearly better than a TFT.

I can find seem to find one anywhere. Whats the best 19" TFT thats a close to CRT clarity as you can get?
 
They're not clearly better :confused:

They are better in certain aspects, but modern TFT technology is quickly taking away those benefits.
There are still places that sell CRTs, Overclockers sell a CRT. :p

Apart from High clarity what else are you wanting from your screen?
What are you going to be using it for?
 
Here is one CRT for a start :-

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/CRT_Monitors.html

Obviously I cannot post links but have seen CRT monitors on other online stores as well. The main reason why they are getting difficult to comeby is that the vast majority of people want TFTs now. Myself included :D As for the claimed superiority of CRT over TFT most people wouldnt be able to tell the difference especially if the CRT was a cheap one.
 
FordPrefect said:
Here is one CRT for a start :-

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/CRT_Monitors.html

Obviously I cannot post links but have seen CRT monitors on other online stores as well. The main reason why they are getting difficult to comeby is that the vast majority of people want TFTs now. Myself included :D As for the claimed superiority of CRT over TFT most people wouldnt be able to tell the difference especially if the CRT was a cheap one.
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Yes.. by your words.. if the CRT is a "Cheap" one the average joe wouldnt be able to tell the difference. My 3 year old 19" CRT still looks miles better than every TFT ive seen to date. Cosmetically.. yes the TFTs look cool. But whats the point in shelling out loads of cash for state of the art CPU's and GPU's when they are all let down by the display! Ive not seen a TFT alive that could match my mates 0.2 samsung 19"er, TFT just seem grainy to me. The picture quality of the TFTs ive seen towards a CRT look like the difference between Normal TV and HD TV.

Im having to get a new monitor as mine is starting to blur very slightly as monitors do over time. Is there any 19" TFT out there that can perform with said samsung??

Edit- yes OC do a 17 but i want a all back 19" really.
 
I had a 19" Samsung CRT and that had bends in the corners that couldn't be fixed with the adjustment controls.

I replaced it with a Dell 2007WFP which I actually find sharper than my previous CRT. I get some tearing in some games and need vsync which slows my games down but over all I find it so much better than my old CRT.

No more messing around with adjustments. The desktop fits to the screen automatically...I now have desk space aswell :)

Dan
 
I'm in agreement with the CRT fans. I would love to have a LCD for the extra room and screen space but I've yet to see a LCD that compares to my 2 22" CRTs (Lacie Electron 22 Blue and a IIYAMA Vision Master Pro 514 :D from Ebay and yet to see another one in my vicinity to date.)

Actually there are a few Lacie's 40 miles away.
 
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side by side comparison of my dads CRT and my 20" Widescreen NEC TFT

i know which id rather have ...
 
Another CRT fan here.

I've owned 2 TFT's, a Samsung 940BF (2ms) that I returned and a Belinea 1925S1W (5ms) that I gave on tick to my cousin.:) I prefered the Belinea a lot more than the Samsung but personally felt neither were upto the job in the games that I play. Although I must admit if I weren't into fast paced games I'd chose a TFT over a CRT all day long, but for now I'm happy with my monstrous 22" syncMaster 1200NF.

BTW The CRT/TFT comparison posted above is a liltle unfair, the CRT looks like its about to burst!
 
UOcUK Poopscoop said:
Really?

List the reasons TFT is better than CRT at this stage in their development. I'm interested.

I own both.
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im of slightly different oppinion

that LCDs are pretty much the same as CRTs, with the exception that i find the colours brighter on my LCD (as shown) but without all the drawbacks of no deskspace, heat production.

Whats more i dont have to worry about refresh rates any more so my monitor will look very good running 1680 x 1050 at 60hz.
 
UOcUK Poopscoop said:
Really?

List the reasons TFT is better than CRT at this stage in their development. I'm interested.

I own both.
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image quality is so much sharper than a crt. you should take a look.

as for the record i own 3 crt's and 3 LCD's.
 
If you cannot find a new CRT look around for a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 930SB that is Less than 3 years old.
This is the monitor i run and if under 3 years old you can take advantage of the 3 year warranty.
I got mine 2nd hand out of M&M and after a while had a few probs. I rang NEC/Mitsubishi and gave the serial number. Even though i am second owner they picked it up sorted it back to new and sent it back within 4 days and all free of charge. :cool:

A gorgeous monitor. Big and Bulky Yes but fantastic visually ingame.
Personally i cannot believe people pay 2-300 pound for a monitor that is substandard to this one. If the picture matched mine then i would totally understand the expense but as it is i don't. They do look better than mine cosmetically but what the **** has that got to do with gameplay :confused: They also take up a lot less room on your desk.
For me All that matters is how my eyes see it in gaming situations.
I have a big desk and do not look at the case and these two things are just not important to me. What is important is how it looks whilst i play.
Give me my Mitsu picture quality and the space saving good looks of a Flat and i may think about changing but until then i am quite happy with my 930SB.
 
I've had LCD & CRT monitors and LCD & CRT TV's. Both have their pros and cons

LCD pros- slim, light, large sizes available, cheap, perfect focus and geometry. Less strain on the eyes.

LCD cons- dead/lit pixels or sub-pixels, poor black levels, off-axis brightness polarization. Not fantastic colour reproduction.

CRT pro- true black, scaling/resolutions don't suffer from the same problems as LCD. Hides Mpeg compression better (lower quality sources look better) Great colour reproduction.

CRT cons- big, heavy. Focus and geometry/convergence problems. Screenburn is a possibility, although unless you leave it on for days at a time you'll be ok.

For PC, I choose TFT. For Windows, text etc TFT wins by far. I can look at a TFT for hours and not get eye strain, can't do that on a CRT (even with high refresh) For gaming though I think a good CRT would be best.

For movies/home theatre CRT, but most CRT TV's have poor geometry. Ideally CRT front projector. LCD TFT making a compromise, they do look bad with SD sources, a lot better with HD. But they still have LCD's problems (black levels/baclight and pixels) colour reproduction is getting better, but still look a little bland compared to the best CRT's.

If CRT could be decreased to a 6" for 37" screen I would stick to that. But they can't, how else can you get a 50" TVT that isn't CRT RP depth?
 
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You can tell when someone is trying to justify there TFT they have bought..

"CRT cons- big, heavy. Focus and geometry/convergence problems. Screenburn is a possibility, although unless you leave it on for days at a time you'll be ok."

Big heavy - yes and yes.. (but then they just sit on my desk, so this is by no means a problem)

focus and geo problems.. no unless u buy a stinker. Screenburn?? u serious put screen burn down on a CRT cons? You need to leave it on the same screen for months and months. And then youd have to have ** screen saver off. If u left a CRT, TFT LCD on all together and left them side by side.. which would die first?

CRT's are big and heavy... but are better qualitly in all areas as a monitor. Thats why there is 2 types of slim lines.. TFT and LCD.. they both claim a bit of each side of the CRT's performance.. but not all areas. If u play FPS games on a TFT with a uber PC.. then u are wasting money in my eyes.
 
MrLOL said:
im of slightly different oppinion

that LCDs are pretty much the same as CRTs, with the exception that i find the colours brighter on my LCD (as shown) but without all the drawbacks of no deskspace, heat production.

Whats more i dont have to worry about refresh rates any more so my monitor will look very good running 1680 x 1050 at 60hz.
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LCD black is still poor, and viewing angles will never be able to compare to CRTs due to the way they work. therefore an LCD is NOT pretty much the same as a CRT. CRT black is black... and viewing angle is 180. And theres not way on earth a LCD has brighter colours than a CRT. it might be close (ish).
 
I find a big advantage with TFT is that it doesn't strain your eyes anywhere near as much. Agreed, the picture quality on my old CRT was better, but it was so tiring to look at and after a while I don't notice the difference in image quality. This is quite a cheap and older TFT anyhow, I expect the new ones are better (considering the 24" BENQ at the mo)
 
For me the main weakness reamaining in TFT technology is black depth, and associated with that contrast ratio, since you can't have a good contrast ratio without a deep black depth. Many people don't realize that an average CRT has a contrast ratio better than the best TFTs.

The other main areas TFTs were regularly criticised over are, in my opinion, now dealt with if you are williing to spend some money to get the right screen. I've got the Dell 2007WFP myself with the new IPS panel.

Ghosting, something I can spot very easily, is virtually non existant, and I can't perceive any lag either. I can honestly say it's a great UT2004 screen. Viewing angles, again with the right screen (ie not a TN panel) are excellent now. When buying a TFT it used to be a choice between screen speed and good viewing angles but no longer. Unfortunately most people are still buying TN panels and sacrificing viewing angles for a lower cost.

The other problems - that you get more tearing on a TFT and that it can look a touch fuzzy out of it's native res - are pretty minor IMO.

So the only major drawback that remains is black depth, especially when you want to play games or watch films with the lights out. It's fundamental to how TFTs work that you shine a very bright light through a thin screen which can't block enough of that light. The contrast ratios on TFTs have improved so little in recent years that I suspect this issue will remain long past the point where other technologies have replaced LCDs.
 
The reason the demise of CRT is now kicking in is because of a couple of factors. Firstly, RoHS. To have a CRT RoHS compliant costs the manufacturer a stack load of money, which due to the cost of the manufacturering and low margin on CRT most manufacturers decided not too.

Link this with the fact that TFT costs much less to Manufacturer and ship from whereever the manufacturing plant maybe means to a manufacturer, CRT is no longer a commercial option.

But on this comment - Hyundai IT decided there was still a market on CRT hence the reason the Q770BG is still here on OCUK's website, and Hyundai IT did pay for the RoHS certification because of this reason. But thats not to say they will be doing them for much longer.
 
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