I'm curious as to why people keep saying getting a CPU with 6 cores and 12 threads will result in regretting the purchase in a few years time. There's not much around at the moment that utilise quad-core CPUs to their full potential. Many games don't properly support multi-core properly. Sure, if you've got some specific applications that utilise multiple cores and threads, that's great and the more the better, but for most gamers and users, 6 cores and 12 threads is perfect and likely will be for at least four to five years I daresay.
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I'm curious as to why people keep saying getting a CPU with 6 cores and 12 threads will result in regretting the purchase in a few years time. There's not much around at the moment that utilise quad-core CPUs to their full potential. Many games don't properly support multi-core properly. Sure, if you've got some specific applications that utilise multiple cores and threads, that's great and the more the better, but for most gamers and users, 6 cores and 12 threads is perfect and likely will be for at least four to five years I daresay.
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IMHO 6 core 12 Thread is entry level right now.
If your happy with entry level then fine go ahead but a processor with more bawls will provide a better experience down the line.
If your happy with entry level then fine go ahead but a processor with more bawls will provide a better experience down the line.
They say that in large due to the new consoles releasing in a year or so time, which will be using 8c16t Zen 2 AMD APU's from what I understand.
Whether that will result in multiplatform releases using that many cores is up in the air, although I expect core requirements to increase as we've already seen it with some releases. Detroit: Become Human "highly recommends 6 - 8 logical cores" as an example.
Personally I'd opt for a 3700X over a 3600 if I had the cash to spare, even were it just for gaming (which it wouldn't be in my case) I would feel more comfortable as I tend to keep my hardware for long periods of time and I'd like to keep the CPU for at least 5 years.
Entry level for what though? If that's the case, where does that leave quad-cores that are still doing a good job today? I just don't see things changing that much over the next few years. It does of course come down to individual usage.
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Individual preference but imho 6c12t is my minimum now on desktop purchasing i do.
Thats with 16gb ram and a 256gb SSD.
If i was gaming, and unless i was price constricted, i would be looking to pass that minimum spec with an 8 core at least.
Quads are dead, like duals i find them to be not worth it nowadays unless heavily compromised on cost.
Thats with 16gb ram and a 256gb SSD.
If i was gaming, and unless i was price constricted, i would be looking to pass that minimum spec with an 8 core at least.
Quads are dead, like duals i find them to be not worth it nowadays unless heavily compromised on cost.
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3600 is probably fine if looking to get a new Zen 3 chip in summer, if the rumoured speed boosts are true i will probably upgrade too from a 3700x.
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3600, 3600x or a 3700x
Choice is your based on budget and I think GPU. If you have a high end card or plan to get one I would shoot for the 3700x.
Choice is your based on budget and I think GPU. If you have a high end card or plan to get one I would shoot for the 3700x.
many games make 4 cores chug now. actually been that way for few years. sure you can get away with it but in some games you can tell a 6 core vs 4 as it will run far smoother. ideally right now 6 core is what you should be on. so if purchasing now for the future and to keep it a good while id only look at 8 core and above. especially with new consoles soon. remember a lot of people when they build a new pc will probably keep it 5 years. those extra two cores will probably give you a extra year alone of pleasure.i know i wouldnt want to be on a 6 core in 5 years not even 3.
If you're buying hardware for yester-yesteryears games, meaning those made in Intel stagnation era, then 6c/12t may indeed look high end.
But heavy games will simply kick quad core to its knees to pray for mercy:
https://youtu.be/vVjdhXAdKE0?t=1m50s
Even eight core CPU can be put under 100% load by over year old game:
https://youtu.be/7uhXkVI64I8?t=25m14s
That means no reserve for future increase of processing demands.
And remember that extra thread of SMT depends on main thread of the core leaving resources free.
Which really isn't thing you want to do much to performance critical main threads of the game.
Also two "mid priority" threads competing against each others for core's resources isn't good either.
That's no doubt big part why HT/SMT has for so long been advantage in some games and disadvantage in others feature.
(we certainly need as much intelligence from OS scheduler as possible to get best thread pairing per core)
And now we'll have next-gen consoles bringing 8 cores/16 threads into mainstream.
In couple years that means no doubt 20+ millions of consoles and potential buyers. (+of course PCs)
That will make every game developer wanting to push forward look for ways to utilize that processing power.
Probably because of chips like the 1800X, 1950X 2950X, 3950X. Plus the consoles are 16 threads now.
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While I would tend to agree with the gist of what you are saying, the intrinsic problem with the videos that you posted supporting your point is that all those games are at 1080p using 2080ti/2080 oc.
- Virtually no one that has a 2080Ti games at 1080p.
- The trend is for people using higher resolutions and ultra-wide monitors. This is at least 2560x1440 and more likely going to 3440x1440+. At these resolution the strain moves from the CPU so that in reality a 9700K and lesser CPU's will still be viable in the next few years.
- Therefore the point is not only about games using more cores but also about people gaming at higher resolutions. The two need to be taken in tandem
When I get time I'll do some tests myself as when I game it's at 2560x1600.
2560x1440 doesn't need (bad performance per price) 2080 Ti to run at good framerates except in very GPU heavy games.
And usually top settings of graphics have many things with minimal effect to image quality, but notable increase of GPU load.
While most people upgrade graphics card at least once in a lifetime of PC and with more competition coming that should bring major GPU performance increase.
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Agreed but my point is that extrapolating from a 2080Ti /1080p video to conclude that 8 core CPU (also 6 core 12 thread) are not recommended for gaming is a stretch at best.
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New console generation could make the 8/16 cpu's the sweet spot.
6/12 now (new consoles are not out yet) and drop in a 8/16+ if and when you need it. Thats an inexpensive router. With the way the industry has gone over the years I wouldn't be shocked if 6/12 lasts longer than 2-3 years before it starts to struggle.
Keep in mind that with the X you also get a choice of Borderlands 3 / The Outer Worlds and a 3 month Game Pass Ultimate (PC and Xbox) with the purchase, so that extra £20 - £30 has further value when you take those into consideration along with the slightly better spec of the CPU.
The 3 month game pass dous not work for me
