Current or very recent UK ATC debacle?

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I wonder if this could be a foreign enemy hack? If so it would not be the first time hackers have attacked another nations infrastructure or part of it.

IF it is, it represents a serious and concerning willingness to go further and is a very worrying thing to have happened .. IF IT IS?

If its just sheer incompetence on our part too, then thats bad too, of course, but hope we learn the truth.

No lifes were lost, but I guess millions of pounds were with grounded flights and suchlike while they were figuring out the problem and of course a fair bit of Travel confidence too Airway wise here ... this has got to sting.

Hope its not as serious as a hack ... but we live in strange times.
 
Mark Harper tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme the technical issue has been resolved and the cause will be looked at it in more detail.

But he confirms there was no "cyber attack".

"The timing was not helpful at all for people. It has disrupted thousands of people," he adds.
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Well, I hope that it wasn't an attack Vincent Hanna and I accept that guys answer fully for now.

Hope it is an isolated case ... but they definitly need to find the root cause of it and soon to reasure the regular travailing airline public.


ALSO ... LOL at John McClean jokes :)
 
It wouldn't surprise me if Russia was trying to gain access to these kind of systems and carry out disruption or prepare for potential future attacks.
 
Rroff said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Russia was trying to gain access to these kind of systems and carry out disruption or prepare for potential future attacks.
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It should be at the very least considered ... especially these days.

Laugh and make Die Hard 2 jokes all you like folks, but if it happens again and soon ... then what?

Probably this will be played down, its done enough disruption already.

We need answers ... and thats a fair request for something as important as public air travel.
 
Rroff said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Russia was trying to gain access to these kind of systems and carry out disruption or prepare for potential future attacks.
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An ex ATC manager interviewed on the BBC seemed pretty adamant that the cause was something other than a cyber attack. Obviously he couldn't go into the details of security measures in place but probably knows what he's talking about.

I'd like to think critically important national infrastructure such as the NATS system (as well as things like nuclear power stations etc) are protected in a million different ways.

But you never know....
 
So ,,, where do NATS originate from and was that just passing the buck?, at no point I blamed UK ATC ... a rather general body, but if ATC in general rely on a body called NATS, shouldn't we know a lot more about them? Rather than just shrug our collective shoulders and say, its NATS problem and its their fault.

Before I go on ... I do have some experience with ATC and no conspiracy theorist as at least one guy here has suggested already ... have many hours learning to fly GA Aircraft and of course talking with ATC.

For what its worth, am glad that whatever happened resulted in a sort of fail safe, total shut down of all air traffic, but oh my ... the chaos that unused ... a cyber attack in these dark times can NOT be totally ruled out so quickly, not even by links from dubious news agency's quoted.

There is a LOT more to this than meets the eye and a lot more investigation before we can consider this case closed.

I wonder what really happened at NATS?

EDIT: This is NATS who must be in more immediate scrutiny just now.


NATS

NATS provides safe and efficient air traffic services and innovative solutions to UK and international airports, airlines and governments.
www.nats.aero www.nats.aero
 
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throwaway4372 said:
plenty of other places on the internet for conspiracy theory bs
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Nothing conspiracy about it - Russia has substantially increased its mapping of and looking for vulnerabilities in Western countries infrastructure since the Ukraine war kicked off and in some cases been behind hacking of systems, etc. it is certainly a possibility.

Don't think their interests are just in stuff like pipelines https://www.navylookout.com/russian-spy-ships-mapping-undersea-infrastructure-in-the-north-sea/
 
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