D Day

See the crazy thing for me on this is When the news harp on about how many people have died in afgan in how many years.

People were dieing by the thousands each day during these wars yet a lot of people have no respect for that.

modern war and the WW's have nothing in common and shouldn't even be compared.
 
elmarko1234 said:
The motivation behind the reason to be there needs to be taken into account, nobody is forcing anybody to be in the military these days, so I consider them no better than mercenaries.
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What if you volunteered to be in the forces during WW2, does that suddenly make you less honourable?
 
elmarko1234 said:
Nothing like soldiers of today, these people didn't pick to fight for a wage, they didn't have a choice - it was literally to defend family & friends from a hostile force.
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What complete nonsense.

The British military was one of, if not the biggest military in Europe before WW2 broke out. They were all on a wage, and were part of the Armed Forces before they 'had no choice', just as the soldier of today are.

Do you think that if today, the UK was threatened to the same degree as in WW2, that the British Military would not fight with the same courage and determination shown in WW2?

For soldiers to be great, they first need an opportunity to be great.
 
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RDM said:
What if you volunteered to be in the forces during WW2, does that suddenly make you less honourable?
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Volunteering to defend family from regular bombing isn't the same as joining the military now - to engage in various conflicts globally (some of which have been illegal) or to steal oil from the developing world.

They are not comparable.

EdGey said:
What complete nonsense.

The British military was one of, if not the biggest military in Europe before WW2 broke out. They were all on a wage, and were part of the Armed Forces before they 'had no choice', just as the soldier of today.

Do you think that if today, the UK was threatened to the same degree as in WW2, that the British Military would not fight with the same courage and determination showed in WW2?

For soldiers to be great, they first need an opportunity to be great.
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An honourable soldiers would refuse to fight in illegal wars or immoral wars to steal resources, some have done this or have come back & spoken against the war (those are the ones I have great respect for).

Being part of the military does not automatically make anybody honourable, it requires honourable actions & a just cause.

Both existed in many cases during WW2/WW1 - the cause does not exist today.

As I said before, you can't steal resources from the developing world in an honourable way.
 
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elmarko1234 said:
Volunteering to defend family from regular bombing isn't the same as joining the military now - to engage in various conflicts globally (some of which have been illegal) or to steal oil from the developing world.

They are not comparable.
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I'm sorry you cannot confuse the political motivations with the soldiers motivations. What if the soldier believes he is trying to bring about peace by putting down the Taliban and spreading democracy? Good intentions whether you agree with what he/she is trying to do or not.

And you cannot be 100% certain those are the political motivations. Maybe of some, but you can never say all.
 
Crizzy said:
So that's not actually disagreeing with what I said then?
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/facepalm.

You disagreed with my post, which was about the morality & ethics of recent wars - not about "bravery or valour" - which are different concepts.

Why did you say "Disagree entirely" if your only point was about bravery & valour (two things I didn't even mention....).

Wake up <slap> :p


Katsumoto said:
I'm sorry you cannot confuse the political motivations with the soldiers motivations. What if the soldier believes he is trying to bring about peace by putting down the Taliban and spreading democracy? Good intentions whether you agree with what he/she is trying to do or not.

And you cannot be 100% certain those are the political motivations. Maybe of some, but you can never say all.
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I agree you can't say for sure.

Some may just be misguided (not good or bad) - but that's still not honourable.

But I'm not willing to shower every single person who goes to war in recent years with the title of "Honourable hero" like our sickening media does, it's an insult to real heroes & the civilians who die on a daily basis (at the hands of our troops) - not to mention the people in the country's who we (USA mostly, but we follow them like lapdogs) are stealing the resources from.

Glad nobody's tried the "just following orders" defence yet, that one went out at the Nuremberg trials.

Anyway, it's starting to go OT - we can continue on a different thread.

I do fully support our veterans of old & the honour of those involved in WW1/2.
 
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elmarko1234 said:
/facepalm.

You disagreed with my post, which was about the morality & ethics of recent wars - not about "bravery or valour" - which are different concepts.
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I was actually disagreeing with the fact that you feel that soldiers from WWII are 'nothing like soldiers of today', not about the morality and ethics of recent wars. Modern wars have casualties that should be remembered just as much as those who have given their lives in the past.

elmarko1234 said:
Why did you say "Disagree entirely" if your only point was about bravery & valour (two things I didn't even mention....)
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I disagreed with the point I quoted, hence quoting it.
 
Don't forget that it was the russians that made this all possible. If it was not for their sacrifice in destroying Hitlers Armies (Over 8 Million military dead) then D-Day could never have happened.
 
PhillyDee said:
Don't forget that it was the russians that made this all possible. If it was not for their sacrifice in destroying Hitlers Armies (Over 8 Million military dead) then D-Day could never have happened.
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Shame their tactics just involved their men running towards the enemy, or get shot by their own men!
 
elmarko1234 said:
/facepalm.

You disagreed with my post, which was about the morality & ethics of recent wars - not about "bravery or valour" - which are different concepts.

Why did you say "Disagree entirely" if your only point was about bravery & valour (two things I didn't even mention....).

Wake up <slap> :p


I agree you can't say for sure.

Some may just be misguided (not good or bad) - but that's still not honourable.

But I'm not willing to shower every single person who goes to war in recent years with the title of "Honourable hero" like our sickening media does, it's an insult to real heroes & the civilians who die on a daily basis (at the hands of our troops) - not to mention the people in the country's who we (USA mostly, but we follow them like lapdogs) are stealing the resources from.

Glad nobody's tried the "just following orders" defence yet, that one went out at the Nuremberg trials.

Anyway, it's starting to go OT - we can continue on a different thread.

I do fully support our veterans of old & the honour of those involved in WW1/2.
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This was not the time or the place for misguided political bull****.
 
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