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mr2s are bloody horrible!
Dads new car!
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eidolon said:
Sorry but this is completely untrue. I do NOT simply pick the car thats the best value for money and then disregard everything else. I'll often suggest alternatives, and in the case of the 5 series I think you'll find it actually offers very poor value for money - it is the most expensive car of its type, more than the equivilent A6 or Lexus, and on paper at least appears to offer not much more to juustify the cost - yet it's still my favourite despite being the worst for value for money, which I think rather rains on your theory.
All I do is offer my personal opinion on what I would regard as the best choices. Other suggestions I would not recommend are taken care of by other posters in the threads, because everyones opinion is different.
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No doubting that Mazda's are very good cars. But check out the kit against what you will get buying a Skoda. I highly recommend a Skoda Diesel. I own a Fabia VRs albeit smaller than what you want the performance is superb and 50 - 60 to the gallon. The Octavia TD's are very capable. They are all based on Audi / VW platform
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kkelly said:Hi my dad is car shoppingand cant make his mind up it has to be first hand
and around 13/17kish. He was worked his list down to a full spec VW Bora (55 plate) which is 13k a full spec Mazda 6 Sport(05) 16k plate and a laguna full spec (55 plate) 14k, i think the mazda as it looks the nicest
any ideas guys as you will know more than me
cheers Kevin.
From a purely personal point of view....
Laguna - there have been several at work (company cars), most of which have had a number of electrical problems.
Bora - never really liked the styling
Mazda 6 - always seems to do well in reviews, and has objectively the best styling of the bunch.
If it was my money, out of these three cars it would be the Mazda.
For another choice has he looked at the new Passat? nicely spec'd and very well put together.
Unless Ford have suddenly started putting the Mazda engines into their Mondeo, then I'd vote for the 6 from that list. I rather liked the new Mondeo I drove a couple of years ago, apart from the engine, which was truly ghastly. The 6 I drove was substantially different, feeling a lot more perky, fun and had a smooth engine that didn't sound like it was full of nails.
Koncordski said:
Yep. Have you never driven a car that on paper appears substandard compared to its rivals but when you drive it, it just "works" for some unexplained reason. Some things maybe don't translate to figures on paper. Using the Fox example, on paper a Mondeo is far better than the equivalent Vectra but Vauxhall seem to sell quite a lot of them, if everyone was buying the "better" car then that wouldn't happen, they'd all buy Mondeos.
If we all drove cars that ticked the relevant boxes then there would only be a handful of cars on the road. There was a post on here recently about the Clio V6, now "Why on Earth" (TM) would anyone buy one of them when there are better cars available for the money?
[TW]Fox said:
You've made 123 posts in Motors featuring either the term "BMW" or "Mondeo" so I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one.
eidolon said:
I could give you a detailed explanation as to exactly why Vauxhall sold the amount of Vectras they did, but it's wildly off topic for this thread. Suffice to say, it has everything to do with pure cost and nothing to do with the ability of the car - just remember the market Vauxhall aimed at with the Vectra.
How is any of this relevant? For every person who posts an opinion that the Clio V6 is a waste of money, somebody else will post that no, it isn't, and explain their personal view as to why its worth buying. Then a discussion follows, and the person who asked 'Should I buy a Clio V6' has a useful collection of positive and negative opinions.
You've made 123 posts in Motors featuring either the term "BMW" or "Mondeo" so I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one.
Given that a) I've already explained that the BMW 5 Series is rubbish value for money which pretty much voided your point and b) 123 posts out of what, over 25,000 I've made in Motors isn''t that bad, I still stand by what I said
[TW]Fox said:
i know what hes getting at fox
and he has a point
you buy your cars with your head, not with your heart.
When some1 suggests a car thats not best in class, you're allways quick to point out that better value for money can be had elsewhere, or that this car can depreciates more etc..
if you buy cars with your heart you wouldnt give a damn about what else could be had for the same money. But you do.
Hmm, this is a bit off the main topic of the thread, but I feel is appropriate to say.
I actually think that Fox is a real benefit to this forum. His depth of knowledge (or at least research) on costs, specs and options is quite awesome, even more so for his age. More to the point, he does make a lot of very good points about best in class.
Having said all of that, would be nice if it was left at the single reply with strong justification, as against repeated justifications.
For example, on the subject of Alfas, Fox makes very valid points about their reliability. There is however a point at which sense simply goes out of the window in favour of thinking with the balls, and further emphasis really doesn't achieve much.
I actually think that Fox is a real benefit to this forum. His depth of knowledge (or at least research) on costs, specs and options is quite awesome, even more so for his age. More to the point, he does make a lot of very good points about best in class.
Having said all of that, would be nice if it was left at the single reply with strong justification, as against repeated justifications.
For example, on the subject of Alfas, Fox makes very valid points about their reliability. There is however a point at which sense simply goes out of the window in favour of thinking with the balls, and further emphasis really doesn't achieve much.
his knowledge inst in doubt
but what we are discussing, is that he allways recommends the same cars. these cars are probably the most appropriate choice
but sometimes you dont want appropriate
you want something different, even if it doesnt hold its value well and the mondeo has superior build quality and toys.
but what we are discussing, is that he allways recommends the same cars. these cars are probably the most appropriate choice
but sometimes you dont want appropriate
you want something different, even if it doesnt hold its value well and the mondeo has superior build quality and toys.
MrLOL said:
Thats becuase unlike others, my opinion doesn't change with the wind direction - if I think Car A is a good choice today, I'll probably think it the next time somebody asks the same question.
The reason why you don't see me wading into 'Which turbocharged nutcase Jap car' threads, and thus, recommending stuff other than my usual fayre, is becuase my area of knowledge is unfortunately the more mundane cars - whilst I know about and appreciate the differences between say an Impreza and a Lancer I don't have the experience or deep level knowledge to recommend one over the other, really, and I like to offer a detailed opinion based on proper fact rather than OMG LOLZ BUY *** EVO COS *** SPOILER ROXORS ME BOXORS AND SCOOBS R EVERYWHERE LOLBBQ.
So you see the same stuff from me becuase it's mostly the same sort of threads I'll go after.
And thats fine - my opinion is just that, an opinion. It isn't me and a bunch of mates round your house with a gun saying 'YOU WILL BUY THE MONDEO'.
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its ok everyone, ive been secretly weaning young fox onto daihatsu stuff so watch for new recommendations soon
MrMoon said:
Don't buy one then.
I'll continue to recommend them where I feel they meet the thread starters criteria. I think it's nearly time to wheel Tesla out as the prime example of why its good to recommend one even when somebody hasn't considered it
Ford dont own Mazda, they only own something like 33% of them or something like that. I'm also pretty sure that despite this, Mazda retain almost all of their own parts, engines and transmissions, and dont raid the Ford parts bin! They are smart cars, I love the interior of them.