Daily Mail caused Windows 7 PC to crash irreparably

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OK, so my wife has an old PC that still runs Windows 7 [I know]. I don't know all the specs but it has an E6600 CPU, 4GB of ram and some low-grade GPU. Oh it also uses an HDD rather than an SSD. It's also her MAIN computer! She refuses to upgrade...

Anyway...

Yesterday she was viewing the Daily Fail website [ahem] and the computer crashed. There was a script on that page which probably made the CPU usage spike and crashed the thing. It restarted itself but then the monitor kept showing an "out of range" error. I have tried changing VGA cables, using a DVI cable but nothing got Windows booting. I cannot enter safe mode. I do NOT think it's to do with the monitor resolution because that monitor has been using that cable/card for ages.

The only time I got Windows to boot yesterday was when I plugged a flash drive in, trying to boot Linux to see if I could set up a live system to recover some documents. All of a sudden the BIOS 'saw' Windows and booted that. However, once we'd got to the desktop, my wife opened Firefox which instantly opened the last viewed page, which was the DM and..... crash. Could not boot Windows again.

Any ideas what could be going on here? I've wondered if it's the boot priority but changing that in the BIOS does nothing. I know I am working with OLD hardware and software so it may be just time to accept it's way past its best [for the record, the BIOS couldn't even see the live USB for maybe it was a bad copy].

EDIT: SORRY I put this in the wrong board. Can it please be put in Windows?
 
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Cyber-Mav said:
i rekon hdd failure, does it get to bios?
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It does, but doesn't go beyond that.

AthlonXP1800 said:
Can you give me Daily Mail link which caused Windows 7 to crash. Will test it in Windows 7 VM to see if it will crash.
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Would love to tell you, but I won't be getting that link unless we can get back into Windows.

HDD failure was one of my concerns too, so I may be going with @Cyber-Mav on this one. I mean, it is using a platter drive which must be at least 15 years old.
 
Boot Firefox with safemode so that the last pages don't load again, then clear the history/cookies etc. Make sure uBlock Origin is installed so that scripts and ads etc don't affect peformance and cause such issues.

And if she HAS to keep that ancient machine, then at the very least clone over that HDD to an SSD. They are super cheap, and the PC will feel like a modern brand new machine at how quick everything suddenly becomes.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
Take hdd out and put in different pc and do smart check?
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Pending Defects log (GP Log 0x0c) not supported

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Semple said:
Reported uncorrectable errors. Bit of a sign of something iffy, but with no relocated sectors would suggest the drive is still in pretty good health.

Can you get the PC to load and remain stable if you don't open Firefox?
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Not, not at all, can't boot Windows, not even in safe mode.

Replaced the RAM modules. Still nothing.

Tried hooking it up to another monitor with both VGA and DVI from the GPU and the integrated graphics port. No signal. Though weirdly, the graphics card gives a picture of the BIOS on the old monitor.

Currently thinking it's a motherboard issue. POST gives two short beeps which suggests it's a mobo problem seeing as replacing the RAM did nothing.
 
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mrk said:
And if she HAS to keep that ancient machine, then at the very least clone over that HDD to an SSD.
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A therapeutic clean install of Windows 7 and apps and data may be a better bet than cloning. Copy the profile over so her settings stay.

Lysander said:
Currently thinking it's a motherboard issue.
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Try changing the CMOS battery.

Lysander said:
It's also her MAIN computer! She refuses to upgrade...
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Show her the Intel NUCs.
 
Quartz said:
A therapeutic clean install of Windows 7 and apps and data may be a better bet than cloning. Copy the profile over so her settings stay.
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Cleansing an old install that no doubt has crap on it is always good, but no amount of cleansing will ever beat the speed and night/day improvement you get from simply cloning from a HDD to an SSD. there simply is no comparison. It is literal night and day without doing anything else after the fact. I know this works on even the lowest spec of machines because I did it to every office desktop in a corporate environment over the course of a year.

I also have no doubt the HDD has bad sectors, so unless a defragment has been done, then it's possible that area of disk is where the browser cache lies for whatever stuff that page was running, which is why reloading back up on that page polled the same area of disk. You wouldn't get that with an SSD, the self maintenance the driver's controller does to the flash will isolate off any bad blocks and not use them again.
 
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mrk said:
I also have no doubt the HDD has bad sectors, so unless a defragment has been done, then it's possible that area of disk is where the browser cache lies for whatever stuff that page was running, which is why reloading back up on that page polled the same area of disk. You wouldn't get that with an SSD, the self maintenance the driver's controller does to the flash will isolate off any bad blocks and not use them again.
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This is a very interesting comment. As you can see from the SMART readings above, there are a hell of a lot of uncorrectable errors. And I imagine it's a long time since a defrag was done.

Me and a friend are going to look into checking out the mobo issue tonight or tomorrow. But it could be that the sector of the HDD where the BIOS 'finds' Windows has become corrupted over time [not sure of the name, I'm not a Windows admin, someone else would be able to say]. This would be why all the other hardware checks out, and why pretty much the only thing remaining in question is the motherboard. Now, if the mobo is not an issue, we would have to look at the HDD again.

In a very worst case scenario I would have to go back to our storage facility, locate the W7 disc, reinstall [I have a spare SSD, not sure if I have a caddy though] having previously linked up the HDD to my Linux system and pulled off any necessary files.

Also, the CMOS battery is dead, but this has been the case for a long time, and shouldn't stop Windows from booting.

My question now is, would it still be possible to activate Windows 7?
 
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