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Dark days, AMD share price at lowest ever.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The problem with Bulldozer it also happened after AMD had overpayed for ATI,so I suspect they simply did not have any contingency in place due to their finances being in a mess,as it was delayed several times(apparently). With Ryzen AMD actually spent the bulk of their R and D on CPUs,and significantly less on GPUs,ie,they made a difficult choice on what to concentrate on,and I suspect they made the correct one.
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Right, AMD do have limited resources and i think you hit the nail on the head, over the last few years what little R&D they had went on Ryzen, as a result GPU's suffered.

But with a Ryzen roadmap now laid out for the next few years they can switch back to GPU's, maybe in a couple of years AMD will surprise us on the GPU front too.
 
humbug said:
Right, AMD do have limited resources and i think you hit the nail on the head, over the last few years what little R&D they had went on Ryzen, as a result GPU's suffered.

But with a Ryzen roadmap now laid out for the next few years they can switch back to GPU's, maybe in a couple of years AMD will surprise us on the GPU front too.
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It seems the AMD R and D budget has gone up 25% since last year:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp...s_increased_by_25_since_this_time_last_year/1
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Now look at consoles. They have potato CPUs,but despite this a number of the exclusives are either hitting 60FPS or having large open worlds. Look at some of videos DF have made on Death Stranding for example,like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RakD29WAlfM

Now consider this is all done on a potato Atom class CPU core and a GPU more akin to an RX470/RX570.

The current consoles are more CPU limited and this is why sometimes they have FPS issues.

The next generation of consoles like the PS5,are rumoured to use Zen based CPU cores,which will be a massive jump over the Jaguar based ones,and wait and see how the next gen consoles will actually improve in FPS and what can be done on screen.
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I would like to point out that all current PS4 games come with true hardware async compute which greatly improve perf which ofc allows for more to be put in for the 30fps cap.
If however this activated on PCs (hardware async compute), there is going to be an outcry why NV made GPUs do not perform "as they should".
And we see the example at Doom when hardware Async compute was activated.

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@humbug the issue with the bulldozer was that the tech back then was at a crossroads.
One side was leading to multicore CPUs like the bulldozer, the other using to less core CPUs with ring.
Everyone could remember the FX8350 benchmarks on BF4, which was in par to the Intel multi core offerings beating the 4 cores.
But everything ended there because all game engines were optimised for Ring topology and 4 core CPUs as they were the mainstream.

We see also the same thing now. AMD moves ahead down one path and this time is Intel that stuck at the wrong path.
And we will see it more next year when PS5 (and xbox in 2020) were basically both will be a PC with Ryzen CPU + Navi GPU.
 
Bulldozer was also partly a hedge to try and negate the fact Intel was jumping onto denser process nodes earlier. The whole concept of the depreciated cores and shared resources and trying to clock them high,was so AMD could use older processes and try and use smaller cores. One of the reasons they went with the IBM lead SOI processes as they were meant to clock higher than normal ones.

However,the hedge failed for AMD.

The issue is that once Jerry Saunders left,and AMD overspent on ATI,and had leadership issues,I suspect the Bulldozer project had too much invested in it,and no real contingency plans left,so AMD had to go with what they have. Compare this to Jerry Saunders who cancelled the original K6 went it turned out to be a bit meh and bought the company NexGen and their Nx686 which became the K6 we saw in PCs.

Then when Compaq stopped development of the famous high performance Alpha line of CPUs after buying it from DEC,Jerry Saunders stepped in and hired almost all of the team,who went onto develop the Athlon. The Athlon used tech from the Alpha including the EV6 bus.

If people don't know who Jerry Saunders was,he was one of the founders of AMD in 1969 and a larger than life personality who was willing to take risks.
 
Kaapstad said:
The real question here is what have intel been doing all these years while they dominated the market, what did they spend their R & D on if AMD can produce something better with a fraction of the resources?
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I would guess some things but on the other hand, hadn't Intel been that sluggish with their lineup from Sandy Bridge to Skylake, probably AMD wouldn't have survived. So, in some way Intel helped them to not declare bankruptcy.
About the profits - they could be everywhere - higher salaries, larger bonuses, dividends for the shareholders, taxes to the governments - why does Trump support Intel...
 
Panos said:
I would like to point out that all current PS4 games come with true hardware async compute which greatly improve perf which ofc allows for more to be put in for the 30fps cap.
If however this activated on PCs (hardware async compute), there is going to be an outcry why NV made GPUs do not perform "as they should".
And we see the example at Doom when hardware Async compute was activated.

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@humbug the issue with the bulldozer was that the tech back then was at a crossroads.
One side was leading to multicore CPUs like the bulldozer, the other using to less core CPUs with ring.
Everyone could remember the FX8350 benchmarks on BF4, which was in par to the Intel multi core offerings beating the 4 cores.
But everything ended there because all game engines were optimised for Ring topology and 4 core CPUs as they were the mainstream.

We see also the same thing now. AMD moves ahead down one path and this time is Intel that stuck at the wrong path.
And we will see it more next year when PS5 (and xbox in 2020) were basically both will be a PC with Ryzen CPU + Navi GPU.
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Not just BF4 :)

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N19h7m4r3 said:
One of the reasons I'm still on my 5820K. Hoping next year has a decent upgrade all round.
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What games are pushing a 5820k? I don't expect to need to upgrade mine for years.

Even a modern CPU heavy title like AC:Origins ticks over at ~50% usage. Only running it at 4ghz too!
 
mid_gen said:
What games are pushing a 5820k? I don't expect to need to upgrade mine for years.

Even a modern CPU heavy title like AC:Origins ticks over at ~50% usage. Only running it at 4ghz too!
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Probably something which pushes a single thread or likes memory bandwidth. An example might be large settlements in Fallout 4,etc.
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Sums it up well, I still play WoW a lot ( they recently updated to DX12, and made draw distance and environmental improvements. Hammers that poor single core; FPS drops to 35 in some wide open areas high up when maxed out ), and other multiplayer games that need single threaded performance. Even a 8700K would be a decent upgrade; but not enough for everything else I do, and play.

Hoping for a decent upgrade next year, and likely 8 core minimum.

Sadly, my poor 5820K, does not like to go over 4Ghz without excessive voltage, and barely stable ( aka not ).
 
I've just gone back and reread the first 50 or so posts and all I can say is WOW, just about everybody thought that AMD was done for, and were beyond saving. But here we are 3 years on and AMD are doing well, it has been a hard slog against tough competition, but their CPU line now with Zen architecture is great in both the home user, and server market. The GPU's, well now that AMD has a bit of money coming in maybe they can fight back against NVidia, something I think it is safe to say we would all like to see.
 
bru said:
I've just gone back and reread the first 50 or so posts and all I can say is WOW, just about everybody thought that AMD was done for, and were beyond saving. But here we are 3 years on and AMD are doing well, it has been a hard slog against tough competition, but their CPU line now with Zen architecture is great in both the home user, and server market. The GPU's, well now that AMD has a bit of money coming in maybe they can fight back against NVidia, something I think it is safe to say we would all like to see.
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Back then there probably was a big chance of them going to the wall or being bought by someone like Samsung.
Lets hope member who posted post no 2 in the thread actually bought shares back then :) (Scouger).

mid_gen said:
#winning

Think I'm gonna have to stick a bit more in when this little tear pulls back.
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I'm expecting these to go at least to 24, something I posted in the forums a while ago.
This one was an easy win. I had a feeling it was going to be a good quarter and the share price boosted despite the issues around mining atm. Have held some for a while now, so good day as long as profit taking doesn't hit hard tomorrow :)
 
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