David Cameron urges internet firms to block child abuse images

[Angilion]

Ah right. Didn't know that indecent was worse than that.

Is it? Does anyone actually know what "indecent" was decided to mean in that particular case? It's a word that doesn't have any objective meaning and it's an easy mistake to assume that the meaning being used is whatever subjective meaning you apply. For example, a woman being out in public without a man to chaperone her is considered indecent in some places. It's possible that the images he had were just normal pictures of children and it was decided that it was indecent for someone to have pictures of children other than their own relatives. "indecent" can mean anything. Without a specfic definition in a specific context, it's a meaningless word.

 

[smelly_legend]

It it that easy to get child porn just by searching Google? I'm afraid to google it incase someone busts my door in and then I get my back door busted in in prison.

 

[Angilion]

This is what Camron has to fix, companies that don't give a stuff.

This was the response to a journalist complaining about a company hosting child porn and not deleting it (after her kid had just walked into it)

Marc LaFountain, Nov 01 09:53 (EDT):
We allow pornographic images/animated images on Tumblr. I would suggest not viewing or following blogs with content that you do not wish to see.
Marc


This was back in 2011, and in 2013 the situation remains the same, child porn is not being deleted by Tumblr. It's about time we name and shame people like Marc, Tumblr's Community Director.

I have to admit that you've hooked me to some extent - I'm wondering if there is any truth in your claim. I suspect not, but I'm not completely sure. Perhaps it would help if you could provide any evidence at all in support of your claim.

 

[bitslice]

I have to admit that you've hooked me to some extent - I'm wondering if there is any truth in your claim. I suspect not, but I'm not completely sure. Perhaps it would help if you could provide any evidence at all in support of your claim.

I'm not posting a link in here and I think a request to prove this is a bit inappropriate? However I've rechecked the link I sent to their support and new images have been posted older ones are now timing out but that may be my ISP.
I'm not sure why you think I'm making this up I'm really not that kind of person.

edit:
google "child porn tumblr", make your own mind up about what they are hosting.

then try reporting it (trust me, you will not be able to do this without help, this alone should tell you something)

then see what they do about it (nothing)

 

[KIA]

This was back in 2011, and in 2013 the situation remains the same, child porn is not being deleted by Tumblr. It's about time we name and shame people like Marc, Tumblr's Community Director.

The person in question wasn't reporting CP.

 

[bitslice]

The person in question wasn't reporting CP.

I think part of her concern was children being lured there and being exposed to porn by adults pretending to be children, part of grooming is showing children underage porn to sexualise them. Either way, CP is on there and not being removed, I walked into it so therefore any kid could do the same. I reported it and nothing was done.

The secondary issue is that this is no content warning, so there isn't even a chance not to be exposed (not sure how Marc expects people not to follow blogs with such content without first seeing such content, it's a bit pointless after the fact)

 

[StriderX]

I wonder how much is on Youtube's private service, they never seem to remove Copyrighted material if it is...so i do wonder.

 

[Destination]

Google is very good at turning misspelt, vaguely relevant phrases into the websites people are looking for. It doesn't seem conceptually unreasonable to run the process in reverse, systematically removing inappropriate results from the search query.

Anything on TOR is probably invisible, sure. But on the open web, some form of filtering should be possible.

They already do this, start typing a search and you find it will try to autocomplete itself, start typing a legalised porn term or porn star name, and it won't suggest the correct response or the correct name until you press enter, then it'll fill the screen with pr0n. They also have the moderation of searches, so there are some steps in place.
I am not a fancier of the genitally challenged, so I've never search for kiddies, but surely it is a simply matter to return no results for terms that are construed as child porn.

 

[jas72]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23393851

So the headline story today is the leader on the Andrew Marr show saying Google et all. need to take responsibility to stop people finding basically CP.

Obviously such things are hurrendous but what he says in his chat is just astounding. Why hasnt anyone sat down and explained to him and the simplest of terms how the internet works. Does he honestly believe people go and Ask Jeeves "how to find CP"?

I'm not one who instantly looks for a hidden agenda within government PR but this just stinks. Surely he can't be so naive, hell on the BBC news story there is even a link to the CEOP report, he has to have read it and consulted with people before coming out with this speech and stating about possible legislation. Just makes him look like a fool, though I guess to the Average Joe™ he looks like Superman and the saviour of children.

I read this on the Beeb and the headline is very misleading

It should read

"PM threatens UK with internet censorship unless internet companies censor the internet themselves"

So either google goes down the route PR China has taken or Mr Cameron will try to force them to do it.

Or am I reading this wrong

There doesn't seem to be any "urges" going on in that report only threats.

 

[jas72]

He most likely did not write the speech.
He most likely knows it's a waste of time.
He most likely knows most people are plonkers and will lap it up and think he is doing a good job.

Hmm so you are saying the PM doesn't actually believe any of what he is saying well that explains quite a lot.

 

[MrMoonX]

I mean seriously I doubt the local sex offenders use google to find images, it's all done in newsgroups, IRC, and dark sites, this is another example of how badly politicians suck at the Internet

 

[jas72]

I'm not posting a link in here and I think a request to prove this is a bit inappropriate? However I've rechecked the link I sent to their support and new images have been posted older ones are now timing out but that may be my ISP.
I'm not sure why you think I'm making this up I'm really not that kind of person.

edit:
google "child porn tumblr", make your own mind up about what they are hosting.

then try reporting it (trust me, you will not be able to do this without help, this alone should tell you something)

then see what they do about it (nothing)

I don't recommend doing any of the above unless you know what you are doing....

The NSA got caught but don't think the UK doesn't have similar.

 

[jas72]

I mean seriously I doubt the local sex offenders use google to find images, it's all done in newsgroups, IRC, and dark sites, this is another example of how badly politicians suck at the Internet

No they don't all they want on the internet is google searches leading to loads of advertising which is what corporate companies want as well.

 

[Guest2]

Yeh im sure if you Google or Yahoo search for 'child porn' you get loads of images

Reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman went into a chat room and met 'Mr Hammerhead' (Mr Garrison)

 

[scorza]

If DC really cared about stopping online child abuse, why did his government cut the funding for the CEOP?

 

[Angilion]

I don't recommend doing any of the above unless you know what you are doing....

The NSA got caught but don't think the UK doesn't have similar.

It's called Tempora and it's probably even more invasive than the NSA's version. It's just that people in the UK have become so used to being spied on by their own rulers that it attracts very little attention.

Hello to any bored analyst from GCHQ who might end up reading this!

 

[Angilion]

I'm not posting a link in here and I think a request to prove this is a bit inappropriate? However I've rechecked the link I sent to their support and new images have been posted older ones are now timing out but that may be my ISP.
I'm not sure why you think I'm making this up I'm really not that kind of person.

When someone I don't even know makes very serious accusations of criminal acts and uses them as the basis for some campaigning against a specific individual, I don't automatically believe them.

I doubt if you do, either.

Do you think that anyone should have free rein to publically accuse anyone of anything and that it's inappropriate for anyone else to question the requirement to automatically believe them without evidence? Surely you can see the problem with that.

edit:
google "child porn tumblr", make your own mind up about what they are hosting.

then try reporting it (trust me, you will not be able to do this without help, this alone should tell you something)

then see what they do about it (nothing)

If it's actually child porn, it's illegal and you don't need to report it to Tumblr. You can report it to the police and you should. Why haven't you? I think the FBI deals with it in the USA (where Tumblr is based), but you could probably report it to the police in the UK and they'll take it from there.

 

[JBod]

Ahhh here we "The internet watch foundation". Cameron will be paying people to look at/for kiddie porn to protect us.

Watch this space folks this will be the new iteration of state snooping.

As an ex-ISP employee I can tell you that the IWF already can block any site they want to on probably the majority of UK ISPs.

 

[arknor]

even if they were in the open the governments wouldn't be able to do anything anyway..

look at silk road... still selling millions of $ worth of drugs every year

 

[Hyburnate]

This can't ever work. Anyone that has a basic concept of how proxies work understands this.

Edit: This is exactly the same as torrents, yes you can block certain links and perhaps key terms however I'll just hop on my Tor Browser and oh look BAM loaded.