Dealing with high cholesterol

matdom said:
You should fast ever other 3 days, on the fasting days just drink water, stop eating red meats, dont eat processed foods.
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Don't do this. A balanced diet is all you need for eating.
 
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BunnyKillBot said:
I saw a convincing video recently that showed the lipid hypothesis is based on very shaky ground, is likely false and dietary shifts towards simple refined carbs are a much more of a problem.

So can somebody please link me to a clinical study that conclusively shows cholesterol is an important factor?
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Huh? What video was this?


matdom said:
You should fast ever other 3 days, on the fasting days just drink water, stop eating red meats, dont eat processed foods.
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Oh my... :o


Moley said:
You assume too much.

I made some small changes to diet four years ago - gave up almost completely take away food, switched to low-fat products where possible, switched to hi fibre/wholemeal where possible. There is more I can do I know, but please don't tar me with the 'lazy' brush.
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You're doing it wrong... small changes, fad diets are not the way to go about it.
 
Syla5 said:
Serious short sightedness here. You don't get passed high cholesterol and blood pressure because your parents had it. It is not hereditary, there has just been a correlated increased risk link that has been made.
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From the first paragraph of the NICE guidelines on FH:

"In some people, a high cholesterol concentration in the blood is caused by an inherited genetic defect known as familial hypercholesterolaemia (FH). A raised cholesterol concentration in the blood is present from birth and may lead to early development of atherosclerosis and coronary heart disease."

Syla5 said:
Just to confirm for us OP have you been diagnosed with familial hypercholestrolemia, or was your mother for that matter?
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I've not been yet, my mum was 10 years ago.

I actually seriously hope I don't have it - I'm all up in the air now and need to calm down a bit before making some decisions on what to do. More lifestyle changes are probably on the cards either way.

For those who have high cholesterol and commented - thanks, your comments were most helpful.
 
Moley said:
You assume too much.

I made some small changes to diet four years ago - gave up almost completely take away food, switched to low-fat products where possible, switched to hi fibre/wholemeal where possible. There is more I can do I know, but please don't tar me with the 'lazy' brush.
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Fair enough but your posting seems to imply other things. I'm happy to be told I'm wrong.

Good luck with improving your lifestyle - I genuinely wish you all the best. I just hope you give the non drug route a go - and a really good go.
 
In some people, so although it's possible your sedentary activity, bad diet, and generally poor lifestyle will be the bigger risk factors. You need to not focus on the small changes or what you've done in the past or if you happen to get diagnosed with FH, you need a complete overhaul, you say you've got young children... 10-15 years time could be a not so nice time for them.
 
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Moley said:
From the first paragraph of the NICE guidelines on FH:

"In some people, a high cholesterol concentration in the blood is caused by an inherited genetic defect known as familial hypercholesterolaemia (FH). A raised cholesterol concentration in the blood is present from birth and may lead to early development of atherosclerosis and coronary heart disease."

I've not been yet
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Great I didn't say anything about people about not inheriting FH. As you haven't been diagnosed with FH, let's assume the best and your just a victim of an average modern lifestyle. Fix diet, activity, vices and you will make improvements.

As others have said, I hope you don't have FH and so should you, but from the sounds of things your doc would surely have tested you 4 years ago, or more recently if they had genuine concerns that you were displaying signs of having FH.
 
I'm not going to start on my usual rampage about the diet-heart fallacy.

I've read enough research to convince me that cholesterol, high fat foods and so on do not affect you adversely, and if anything are good for you as part of a healthy lifestyle, and the links to food and cholesterol and heart disease are actually not as correct as once thought.

If you ARE interested, start with Dr Uffe Ravnskov, and carry on from there - it's quite enlightening.

However, it does require an active, healthy balanced lifestyle, and lots of sex - which is such a shame! :p
 
So let me get this straight. You are worried about your cholesterol, and it is inherited, and their is nothing you can do about it?

Wrong, whilst you may not be able to eradicate the problem itself, you can indeed help it, and stop it getting a lot worse. As said many times in the thread, eat well, exercise at least 30min a day (walk instead of drive etc....), do it naturally, not with pills. Basically just listen to Freefaller, the man knows what he is talking about (about everything, god dammit the man is perfect)
 
Without doubt statins are a powerful drugs that work very well. For me I would never consider not taking them now in view of the other stuff I have going on. That said I would not consider them the easy fix. I would always alter my diet and do more exercise as the firsts step. It may do the job without the need of statins at all. If you don't try first you'll never know. If you don't get the reductions you're after then consider statins.
For me I want belt and braces. I watch my diet, and keep as fit as I can manage. That's obviously not as fit as blokes with a healthy ticker, I just can't exercise at that level now. So for me I do both.

If I were you I'd certainly have a chat with you doc to learn a bit more. But I'm sure he will say exercise and food first then try the statins.
 
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Freefaller said:
Another good author/book:

Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation by Andreas Moritz
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This is an extract from Chapter 9:

Cholesterol is Not the Culprit After All

But as INTERHEART and other studies have shown, cholesterol isn't a serious risk factor for heart disease at all. An earlier study sponsored by the German Ministry of Research and Technology showed that no exact link exists between food cholesterol and blood cholesterol. Even more surprising, in Japan, the cholesterol levels have risen during recent years, yet the number of heart attacks has dropped. The largest health study ever conducted on the risks of heart disease took place in China. Like so many similar studies, the Chinese study found no connection between heart disease and the consumption of animal fats.

In an 8-year long heart study, researchers observed 10,000 people with high cholesterol levels. Half of them received a best-selling statin drug. The other half were simply told to eat a normal diet and get enough exercise. The results stunned the researchers. Although the statin drug did indeed lower serum cholesterol, this had no impact whatsoever on death rate, non-fatal heart attacks and fatal arterial disease. In other words, the statin-users had zero advantage over those who received no treatment at all. However, they had just spent eight years taking a costly drug with hideous side effects - risking liver failure, muscle wasting, even sudden death. Lowering cholesterol either through drugs or low fat diets does not lower the risk of developing heart disease.

All the major European long-term cholesterol studies have confirmed that a low-fat diet did not reduce cholesterol levels by more than 4 percent, in most cases merely 1-2 percent. Since measurement mistakes are usually higher than 4 percent and cholesterol levels naturally increase by 20 percent in autumn and drop again during the wintertime, the anti-cholesterol campaigns since the late 1980s have been very misleading, to say the least. A more recent study from Denmark involving 20,000 men and women, in fact, demonstrated that most heart disease patients have normal cholesterol levels. The bottom line is that cholesterol hasn't been proved a risk factor for anything.

The current medical understanding of the cholesterol issue is more than incomplete. The argument that animal tests on rabbits have confirmed that fatty foods cause hardening of the arteries sounds convincing, but only when the following facts are omitted:

* Rabbits respond 3,000 times more sensitively to cholesterol than humans do.

* Rabbits, which are non-carnivorous animals by nature, are force-fed excessive quantities of egg yolk and brain for the sake of proving that cholesterol-containing foods are harmful.

* The DNA and enzyme systems of rabbits are not designed for consumption of fatty foods, and if given a choice, these animals would never eat eggs or brains.

It is obvious that the arteries of these animals have only an extremely limited ability to respond to the damage caused by such unsuitable diets. For over three and half decades, Western civilization assumed that animal fats were the main cause of dietary heart disease. This misinformation is highlighted by the fact that heart attacks began to rise when consumption of animal fats actually decreased. This was verified by British research, which revealed that those areas in the U.K. where people consumed more margarine and less butter had the highest numbers of heart attacks. Further studies revealed that heart attack patients had consumed the least amounts of animal fats.

In this context, it is important to differentiate between processed and unprocessed fats. It has been discovered that people who died from a heart attack were found to have many more of the harmful fatty acids derived from the partially hydrogenated vegetable oils in their fat tissue than those who survived. These so-called "faulty" fats (trans-fatty acids) envelop and congest the membranes of cells, including those that make up the heart and coronary arteries. This practically starves the cells of oxygen, nutrients, and water, and eventually kills them.

In another more comprehensive study, 85,000 nurses working in American hospitals observed a higher risk for heart disease in patients who consumed margarine, crisps, potato chips, biscuits, cookies, cakes, and white bread, all of which contain trans fats.

Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53 percent over eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent Harvard Medical Study. While actually increasing LDL cholesterol, margarine lowers the beneficial HDL cholesterol. It also increases the risk of cancers up to five times. Margarine suppresses both the immune response and insulin response. This highly processed and artificial product is practically resistant to destruction, being one molecule away from plastic. Flies, bacteria, fungi, etc. won't go near it because it has no nutritional value and cannot be broken down by them. It can last for years, not just outside the body, but inside as well.

It is very apparent that eating damaged, rancid fats or trans-fats can destroy any healthy organism and should be avoided by anyone. In 2007 New York City banned the use of trans fats in its restaurants; however, the trans fats are merely being replaced with new artificial fats that have the same or worse effects.

Healthy Today - Sick Tomorrow

Unfortunately, high cholesterol (hypercholesterolemia) has become the dominating health concern of the 21st century. It is actually an invented disease that doesn't show up as one. Even the healthiest people may have elevated serum cholesterol and yet their health remains perfect. But they are instantly turned into patients when a routine blood test reveals that they have a "cholesterol problem."

Since feeling good is actually a symptom of high cholesterol, the cholesterol issue has confused millions of people. To be declared sick when you actually feel great is a hard nut to swallow. So it may take a lot of effort on behalf of a practicing physician to convince his patients that they are sick and need to take one or more expensive drugs for the rest of their lives. These healthy individuals may become depressed when they are being told they will need to take potentially harmful drugs to lower their cholesterol levels on a long-term, daily basis. When they also learn that they will require regular checkups and blood tests, their worry-free, good life is now over.

These doctors cannot be blamed for the blunder of converting healthy people into patients. Behind them stands the full force of the U.S. government, the media, the medical establishment, agencies, and of course, the pharmaceutical companies. All of them have collaborated to create relentless pressure in disseminating the cholesterol myth and convincing the population that high cholesterol is its number one enemy. We are told that we need to combat it by all means possible to keep us safe from the dreadful consequences of hypercholesterolemia.

The definition of a "healthy" level of cholesterol has been repeatedly adjusted during the past 30 years, which certainly does not give me much confidence in a system of medicine that professes to be founded on sound scientific principles. In the early days of measuring cholesterol levels, a person at risk was any middle-aged man whose cholesterol was over 240 and possessed other risk factors, such as smoking or being overweight.

After the adjustment of parameters during the Cholesterol Consensus Conference in 1984, the population was hit by a shock wave. Now, anyone (male or female) with overall cholesterol readings of 200 mg percent (200mg per 100 ml) could receive the dreaded diagnosis and a prescription for pills. The claim that 200 blood serum cholesterol is normal and everything above is dangerous was scientifically unfounded, though. At least, this was the consensus of all the major cholesterol studies. In fact, a report in a 1995 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association showed no evidence linking high cholesterol levels in women with heart conditions later in life.

Although it is considered completely normal for a 55-year-old woman to have a cholesterol level of 260 mg percent, most women that age are not told about this. Also healthy employees are found to have an average of 250 mg percent with high fluctuations in both directions.

The lack of evidence linking elevated cholesterol with increased risk of heart disease, however, didn't stop the brainwashing of the masses. In the U.S. 84 percent of all men and 93 percent of all women aged 50-59 with high cholesterol levels were suddenly told they needed treatment for heart disease. The totally unproved but aggressively promoted cholesterol theories turned most of us into patients for a disease that we probably will never develop. Fortunately, not everyone has followed the advice to have their cholesterol levels checked but, unfortunately, millions of people have fallen into the trap of misinformation.

To make matters worse, the official, acceptable cholesterol level has now been moved down to 180. If you have already had one heart attack, your cardiologist will tell you to take cholesterol-lowering statins even if your cholesterol is very low. From the viewpoint of conventional medicine, having a heart attack implies that your cholesterol must be too high. Hence you are being sentenced to a lifetime of statins and a boring low-fat diet. But even if you have not experienced any heart trouble yet, you are already being considered for possible treatment.

Since so many children now show signs of elevated cholesterol, we have a whole new generation of candidates for medical treatment. So yes, current edicts stipulate cholesterol testing and treatment for young adults and even children! The statin drugs that doctors use to push cholesterol levels down are LIPITOR (atorvastatin), Zocor (simvastatin), Mevacor (lovastatin), and Pravachol (pravastatin). If you decide to follow your doctor's advice and take one of these drugs, make certain to read the list of side effects so that you know the risks you are taking.

If you want to obtain objective and untainted information on cholesterol, agencies like the National Institutes of Health and the American College of Cardiology are certainly not the places from which to obtain it. Until recently, they wanted you to keep your overall cholesterol level below 150. Then, in 2001, they finally admitted that measuring overall cholesterol levels makes no sense at all, so they began recommending an LDL level below 100. Now their aim is to keep LDL lower than 70. Every time they lower the target, the number of "patients" requiring treatment jumps dramatically, much to the benefit of the drug producers. Being officially backed by these agencies, doctors feel motivated, if not obliged, to prescribe these expensive drugs to their new patients.

The extensive promotional campaigns by the pharmaceutical giants have already brainwashed the masses to believe they need these drugs to be safe from sudden heart attack. Even if a doctor knows the truth about the cholesterol deception, these anxious patients will demand a prescription from him. This is not just affecting their health, but everyone's economic future. The massive sales of these best-selling drugs of all time drive up health care costs to levels that undermine economic growth and make basic health care unaffordable to an ever-increasing number of people. The masses have been so brainwashed with misinformation that this lurking financial crisis doesn't seem to be their immediate concern.

In 2004, there were already 36 million statin candidates in the U.S., with 16 million using LIPITOR alone. When the official LDL target level drops to 70, another 5 million people will be eligible for their use. At the consumer markup price of $272.37 and an actual cost of $5.80 for a month supply of LIPITOR, you can understand the incentive that the pharmaceutical industry has to push their products and make them a mass commodity.
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I'm going food shopping at the weekend and taking the healthy eating guide the doctor gave me along to help make some better diet choices. I think that got to be the starting point. :-)
 
Moley said:
I'm going food shopping at the weekend and taking the healthy eating guide the doctor gave me along to help make some better diet choices. I think that got to be the starting point. :-)
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Read what freefaller has posted. Official advice, is well crap.
 
Moley said:
I'm going food shopping at the weekend and taking the healthy eating guide the doctor gave me along to help make some better diet choices. I think that got to be the starting point. :-)
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LOL... And walking to the shop!!!

Some interesting stuff in this thread, I'm pretty sure within a few years statins will be combined with anti platelet coagulants. Good luck with it anyway.
 
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Andreas Moritz is a cancer/medical quack with no medical training at all, why any intelligent person would take what he says seriously is beyond me!!
 
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