Debt/Saving Inspiration

Good thread gone bad :(

I find it amazing watching people I work with literally **** their enormous disposable income (military so almost zero outgoing) up against the wall month after month. People are desperate for pay day... it's like, duh!!! Sort yourself out!

This was my turning point for going from spending to saving. I literally don't know how people can do it month after month. I hear people at work saying they have £8 left to last them a week and they are on very good money...
 
This was my turning point for going from spending to saving. I literally don't know how people can do it month after month. I hear people at work saying they have £8 left to last them a week and they are on very good money...

I hear this sort of stuff all the time. I work with someone who was in 40K worth of debt excluding house/car/bills. Ended up wiping it off and damaging his credit rating all because he liked cars as a hobby.
 
This was my turning point for going from spending to saving. I literally don't know how people can do it month after month. I hear people at work saying they have £8 left to last them a week and they are on very good money...

Same - I've always been lousy with money but last month, I sat down with a spreadsheet and planned out the next six months up to and including to the end of December.

Quite frankly, I wish I'd done that years ago and I'm kicking myself now that I didn't. On the spreadsheet I've allowed for all my regular outgoings ie. all my DD's and SO's, set aside a percentage (based on what I normally use) to cover petrol each month, a percentage to cover Tesco food shopping and entered one-off stuff like the road tax being due on the car at the end of September.

That then gives me a disposable balance, so all my sundry expenditure comes off of that. I hated having to be so analytical about things, but I was pleasantly surprised to see that if I rein in that sundry expenditure for a couple of months and there aren't any nasty unknown things I have to stump up for between now and then, I won't actually be touching my overdraft for the remainder of the year.

Indeed, I'll actually be carrying over an increasingly large surplus each month, to the extent that if I continue watching what I spend up until April 2013, I'll pretty much have the equivalent of a month's salary already in my account when I get paid at the beginning of April.

After months of living payday to payday, I cannot tell you what a boost that has given me, not to mention an incentive to see it through. It's become part of my daily routine now to sit down with my laptop and update the spreadsheet with any expenditure I've made that day. So simple, but as I say, I'm now wishing I'd done it months ago.

I made an adjustment to it a couple of nights ago as well - anything I spend on petrol is logged in another part of the spreadsheet and it shows me as a percentage how much of my petrol budget I've spent so far.

The only annoyance is that I'll have to wait a couple of months to start seeing the benefits: unfortunately I got hit with £210 of unplanned-for spending this month - the car needed work done on it (£170) and earlier this week, we had to have one of our cats put to sleep (£40).
 
This thread had potential but OP seems to be making the mistake of thinking any critical response that disagrees with his own POV is a personal attack.

Anyon had some fair points but OP derailed his own thread by not having any worthwhile response other than making it personal and constantly pointing out how "right" he was, ironic.

I think he took it as a personal attack because Anyon's comment was not exactly contructive, you refered to him as stupid and blatenly started pulling his post to bits. The guy was just trying to help people, why not instead of bringing in comments of stupidity and so forth just correct and assist him in making the topic helpful for people.

I seriously dont know why some people bother taking time to try and help people.
 
Okay here we go. Here's the file I promised. The Green Cells are the variables you need to change.

You also need to run a solve in order to calculate the payments in the annuity the saver purchases and the repayment plan the borrower has.

The solve section is in grey. Tell excel to change D73 such that G82 is as close to zero as possible.

Cell M67 gives the value of lifetime utility. With my setup Person B is better off than Person A.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20407/ocuk/lifetime utlity.xlsx

If you spot any mistakes please let me know.
 
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First thing I would challenge would be an inflation rate of 2% over that period with a wage inflation of 5%. Be highly surprised if wage inflation was 250% of price inflation.

Feel free to change it. But real wage growth does exist. If wages grow by real GDP then that isn't too far-fetched.

I'll try reducing wage growth and see.

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reducing nominal wage growth to only 4% swings it marginally in person A's favour.

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I come back to my original point. A naive analysis like in the OP is pointless. Even my very basic model is incredibly naive and shouldn't be used to form any substantial conclusions. But it should show how saving isn't always better than borrowing.
 
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Not disputing your figures Halk, but why would the person with debt have any disposable income at all?

The disposable income would be after servicing the interest only on the debt. It's another simplification - people who run sizable levels of debt will need to repay it over time, however they'll also borrow more on revolving facilities at the same time - meaning it can be simplified to them just paying the interest. The disposable income is also before they choose to save.
 
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