Decision made, going all prime...

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Did the deed today. Agreed sale on my 70-200 F4L and have now ordered a 35mm F2 and a 100mm macro.

Have to say that it's taken a long while to get around to this decision.

As a background, I've been through a 300D, then a 1D and now use a 5D.
Along the way, I've owned a number of Canon lenses (including 3 Canon L zooms) and also the two best known Tamron zooms (28-75 and 17-50).

More recently, I've found myself:
- shooting less distance stuff (there goes the 400mm)
- exploring macro stuff with tubes. Found them a pain to use
- really enjoying the effect that can be induced with wide exposures and the ensuing bokeh
Along the way, I've ended up gradually less and less satisfied with the compromises that most zooms induce. Sure, you have additional flexibility, but in reality, I've found that I didn't need it that much. A pair of feet and slightly more creative thinking usually solved the issue.

Over my last few hols, I've taken the habit of "one lens a day". i.e. get up, have a think about where I've going, stuff one lens on the camera and live with it. Yes it does restrict some things, but also results in capturing a smaller number of even better shots, that my zooms just couldn't nail as well.

I know there's an argument of "better to have an ok photo than none at all". What I've seen leaves me with the counter argument of "when you show someone a shot, do you really show them something second rate, or will you print that one of time brilliant shots".

Clearly my thoughts are not exactly politically correct for a lot of people, and I understand that, just wanted to add a different viewpoint on here.
 
if it suits your photography needs then why not. you know the lenses that you need and for what type of shot you want to go for :)
 
The guy you've agreed sale to sounds like a sound chap... ;)

Personally I really enjoy shooting with primes, but the functionality of zooms does have it's benefits.

You are right by saying that all you need is a set of feet, but in certain cases the time it takes to get what you desire in shot can make you miss it!
 
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35/85/135

it's all I need.

Honestly, look online, the best photos you see from wedding togs, portraits in magazines. What are they almost always taken on? Primes.

If a wedding tog can shoot a wedding on primes, a situation where versatility should be king, then you'd think they would want a zoom. But the best wedding photos I've seen are mostly taken on a prime. Over the past year I have come to realise this, and since getting the 35L I have been doing it and I can see why.

Use your feet, they are the zooms !
 
The guy you've agreed sale to sounds like a sound chap... ;)

Personally I really enjoy shooting with primes, but the functionality of zooms does have it's benefits.

You are right by saying that all you need is a set of feet, but in certain cases the time it takes to get what you desire in shot can make you miss it!

Good to know you're on here too. Does make me feel massively more confident ref the sale.
 
I completely understand where you're coming from with relation to the quality of photos. The amount I've binned because I considered them to be rubbish, is quite silly. Although I've been told they're fine I disagree and chuck 'em :D
 
TBH I think it is all about the right tool for the job.

Sometimes what you need is a 1.2 85mm lens (no way ever on a zoom), othertimes you want f8 at 35mm, at which point the quality difference between a 24-70L and a 35L will be pretty hard to spot except in really extreme conditions.

I do agree though that the discipline of having to use a fixed focal length is often very good for you.
 
Never see the point of any argument of primes v zooms, as already said they are just tools. One or the other may fit your needs/style better at a given time. I like using primes but I'll always have a zoom lens.
 
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I have a mixed bag but if i can i use primes. Infact i am hanckering after another zoom and another couple of primes for what i do.
 
Im also switching to primes, but trying to decide between 24 1.4 and 35 1.4 is really hard!!!

If you're in that position you're doing it wrong, they're different lenses for different purposes. You either need one or both but they're not interchangeable (you really think nikon would have coughed up these two hugely expensive primes instead of other stuff from the wish list if they were interchangeable?)

You also have to question the wisdom of nikon's fast primes at the moment, buy a 35mm and 85mm f/1.4 and you've spent an awful lot more than you would on equivalent L glass...sometimes that's unavoidable if you're invested in a system but swapping to Nikon primes wholesale isn't good value today - devil's advocate - why not save cash on equiv. L glass and get a 5DII??

Also, on DX you have be mad not to question the 35 f1.4 over the F1.8 DX version at 10% of the price - half a stop for £1300? After you.
 
twoblacklines has more cash under his mattress than all our piggy bank put together :p

Lets not worry about money lol

The first thing that popped into my head when I read that was the saying "Don't try to run before you can walk."

If you want to learn a focal length, learn it cheaper (35/2.0), learn it on Full Frame.

If you get the 35/1.4 and get used to it on cropped, then upgrade to a Full Frame camera, you are going to get another lens too. Or you will come unstuck for a short while before you adjust to the lens on a different body.
 
I would have been happy with the 24-70 but then i see Raymands selective focusing at max aparture something you cannot do with small length focal points (because dof is effected by focal length) without a larger aparture.

Im buying a D3s asap for its low light capability. The d300s is good upto iso 1600 imo and at iso 1600 on a F1.8 lens its still not good enough. Ill be keeping that body anyway as the 1.5 crop comes in handy at telephoto lengths.

Ray, thing is a 24mm is wider so when i need wider I have it. When i dont, i can just crop it in PP ? I like street photography and being able to not have to point the lens directly at the person so their oblivious to your picture taking, yet have your focus point right on them.

I wont stop buying stuff till im satisfied, and ill be satisfied when i have

D3s
16mm F2.8 fisheye
24 F1.4G
35 F1.4G
85 F1.4G
135 F2
200 F2
400 F2.8
A ton of Profoto flash gear
a studio background and supports etc.
a load of Pelican cases
and a range rover sport TDV8 to transport it all.

The lenses and the camera are £20k lol but tbh if i was in the position to buy all that or a car, id take the camera gear.
 
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Also, on DX you have be mad not to question the 35 f1.4 over the F1.8 DX version at 10% of the price - half a stop for £1300? After you.

It might sound mad but i hate small lenses. (size). I hate using the 50mm as i cannot hold it in my hand with the other hand on the camera, i have spade sized hands you see.
 
I would have been happy with the 24-70 but then i see Raymands selective focusing at max aparture something you cannot do with small length focal points (because dof is effected by focal length) without a larger aparture.

Im buying a D3s asap for its low light capability. The d300s is good upto iso 1600 imo and at iso 1600 on a F1.8 lens its still not good enough. Ill be keeping that body anyway as the 1.5 crop comes in handy at telephoto lengths.

Ray, thing is a 24mm is wider so when i need wider I have it. When i dont, i can just crop it in PP ? I like street photography and being able to not have to point the lens directly at the person so their oblivious to your picture taking, yet have your focus point right on them.

I wont stop buying stuff till im satisfied, and ill be satisfied when i have

D3s
16mm F2.8 fisheye
24 F1.4G
35 F1.4G
85 F1.4G
135 F2
200 F2
400 F2.8
A ton of Profoto flash gear
a studio background and supports etc.
a load of Pelican cases
and a range rover sport TDV8 to transport it all.

The lenses and the camera are £20k lol but tbh if i was in the position to buy all that or a car, id take the camera gear.

oh please, why on earth do you need all that? To want all that it means you are buying for the sake of buying. You have zero idea what you want to shoot, what your passion is, hence the need for all that glass, from 16mm to 400mm. Are you shooting in a small room or are you shooting the moon?

And as for studio flashes and background, what studio uses 400mm prime?

THINK man, THINK !

As for cropping 24mm down to 35mm. Wrong.

Yes you can but wrong! A 24mm photo has more distortion than a 35mm. You can crop it but it won't have the same look. Plus, its good to get it right in camera. I seldom crop, i rotate to fix the horizon often but i never crop. I move there and take a photo and then walk away.
 
Cant you remove distortion in Camera Raw Editor ?

I like to shoot everything!

Ill try and dig out a pic that my lecturer showed me of a guy shooting a model with a 300 f2.8 to get that natural depth of field long lens look.
 
You can fix anything (virtually) in post, but if you can get it right in camera then why would you?

I don't get you.

You want everything, but then you also want to cut corners? I guess its part of your logic, that buy getting the best, it is a shortcut to take the best photos. It doesn't work like that. It helps but it doesn't work like that.

As for that guy with 300mm shooting a model.

Geez man, that's 1 photo out of a gazillion model shots that get into fashion magazines, websites, portfolios EVERYDAY. And you use that as a reason and example to get a 400mm prime ? The fact that you are even contemplating it is nuts ! That one photo might work but I know for a fact, most portraits in magazines are not taken on a 300mm prime!
 
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Ok, two things.

1. Everyone said you dont need lenses etc, i said i was going to order a fisheye and got critiscised for it. Then #1 photo comp last month used a fisheye. Well he couldnt have got that shot with an 18-70 kit lens could he ?

2. What made you decide between 24L and 35L ?
 
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