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Decisions, decisons....not a vs thread

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With the plethora of graphics cards options available at the moment, im looking for some friendly advice on what to go for (not a vs thread).

Having seen how poor my 5850 is with minimum frame rates compared to a friends 470(actual gaming felt very smooth with his 470) i wanted to know what was best for me out of these options. Maybe others have similar questions or in the same situation.

PSU: AX750
CPU: i5
MB: x8/x8 board (sli or x-fire)
GPU: His 5850 (Vmodable)
Case: RVO2
  1. Sell 5850 -buy 460, add another when needed for sli, be ok for power till next christmas?
  2. Buy 3rd party cooling for 5850, overclock it to its limit, wait for 7 series
  3. Keep 5850 with stock cooling, save up for another and be ok for power for a good while
  4. Sell 5850- buy 470, add another in the future if needed
  5. Wait and see what happens with the 6 series to fluctuate the prices of Nvida and 5*** series ATI

With the cost of aftermarket cooling these days i dont want to spend £30-50 on cooling (VF3000 or MK13+VRM heatsink = £45/60+) when i could get the MSI 460 that would stay very cool in my case, and overclock just as well as my 5850 would with aftermarket cooling.

Opinions welcome plx.:)
 
I would sell the 5850 and get either SLI 460 (Usually more powerful than a 5970) or a single 470 and put in another when power is needed.

I would only do this over putting another 5850 in because Xfire driver issues are still present and they can be a nuisance.

If you are owrried about heat then I would definately do SLI 460 (Much cooler than 470).
 
The 6xxx series is supposed to launch around end of Oct/early Nov, which would mean info, proper info on it will probably start to leak by, maybe end of Sept latest, would be surprised if the shader count wasn't known by then to be honest though that might not tell the whole story.

It doesn't look like Mafia 2's going to be killer on hardware unless you want to use physx, which will be cpu anyway(if you went AMD and wanted the incredibly dodgey looking physx effects). I can't think of many tough games that will be out before the 6xxx series, I would think this is the worst time to buy as we'll probably see a round of price drops and performance improvements at the same price points in 2 months.

Depending on how the performance goes and prices, if a 6850 offered 30-40% more performance than a current 5850, at the same price point then Nvidia will likely have to push the 460gtx price down into the £130's to be good value, but then sli 460gtx would start to get very cheap and could be a great solution.
 
there's always 'a new' graphics card just around the corner. Just pick the best graphics card you can afford taking into account your needs with regards to noise, heat, power etc.:)
 
5850 will run games at top settings for a long while yet. keep it for the time being - you could add a second and run in Xfire

He is on about the smoothness which is minimum framerates, that with this gen nvidia cards are a lot better, wether its drivers or hardware we will never know.

That might change on the new ATI cards that will be available after xmas but very unlikely as its the same tech.

I went from a 5870 to a 480 and i am more than pleased i did, as a lot of people who have done the same are too.
 
With the plethora of graphics cards options available at the moment, im looking for some friendly advice on what to go for (not a vs thread).

Having seen how poor my 5850 is with minimum frame rates compared to a friends 470(actual gaming felt very smooth with his 470) i wanted to know what was best for me out of these options. Maybe others have similar questions or in the same situation.

PSU: AX750
CPU: i5
MB: x8/x8 board (sli or x-fire)
GPU: His 5850 (Vmodable)
Case: RVO2
  1. Sell 5850 -buy 460, add another when needed for sli, be ok for power till next christmas?
  2. Buy 3rd party cooling for 5850, overclock it to its limit, wait for 7 series
  3. Keep 5850 with stock cooling, save up for another and be ok for power for a good while
  4. Sell 5850- buy 470, add another in the future if needed
  5. Wait and see what happens with the 6 series to fluctuate the prices of Nvida and 5*** series ATI

With the cost of aftermarket cooling these days i dont want to spend £30-50 on cooling (VF3000 or MK13+VRM heatsink = £45/60+) when i could get the MSI 460 that would stay very cool in my case, and overclock just as well as my 5850 would with aftermarket cooling.

Opinions welcome plx.:)

1. NO! There's no point, consider it for a while. Most people get a stable 850MHz oc from their GeForce 460s, that is 25% ish overclock with a little voltage adjustment (1.087V). GeForce 460 is slower than 5850 by an average of approximately 10% at stock. I and many more people run their 5850s stable with stock cooling at 900/1200MHz (this is around the same overclock as with GeForce 460s on average) with only a little voltage adjustment that doesn't push the chip at all. 1.15V is not only safe but also applied to some higher overclocked models afaik and is a default voltage for Radeon 5870 (same GPU). They also overclock to the same levels on average (with good cooling that is).

Now, with whatever bull**** I said above, GeForce 460 1GB will perform about the same as Radeon 5850 at 1680x1050 (within 5% margin) and will be slower by 10-20% at higher resolutions (5% at 1920x1080, x1200 - 10%, 2560x1600 - 20%).

Selling your current card means basically swapping it over for a slower performer. No benefits from this solution until you add another 460 to the basket!

If you want to get SLI 460s, do it all at once. If you don't have the moneyz, wait till you collect it, sell your current card, buy the 460s, ???, PROFIT.

2. You can buy a third party cooler but you should be able to overclock it to said levels without a need for an aftermarket cooler. The card will perform as well as a stock 5870 which is good enough for most people. It doesn't cost you moneyz as well. Need help with ocing/temps/noise? No problem with that.

3. Good option but only if you lack the power. I'd also suggest a second-hand 5850. It may save you up to £50 on purchase and I don't think you'll lose anything, maybe besides one year warranty less.

4. This is worth consideration but being limited by the cooling and wanting to squeeze a lot of potential these cards have, you want an aftermarket cooler. Trust me, you can cope with the noise/temps/stock but you won't want to, so take it into consideration. The overall upgrade will therefore cost you £225 for the card plus probably £30-35 for the cooler (whether it is Zalman VF3000F or Gelid Icy Cooler).

5. This is an OK option, because you'll have time to rethink your needs. Trust me, there is a good reason to wait yet, it's nice to see good graphics popping out at reasonable prices but it's not the best time to upgrade from a current gen yet. The new series may bring something interesting into the game, current generation of ATI cards were


Your PSU will be fine with SLI anyway.
 
My 470 noise/temps are fine at stock so do not worry about that. If you are going to clock it then you may want to put a custom cooler on it.
 
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Great response Sir! Cant tell you how usefull it is to hear some-one elses opinion on specific points, thanks :). I'l be think il wait it out a little longer, and see whats what in a month or two.

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there's always 'a new' graphics card just around the corner. Just pick the best graphics card you can afford taking into account your needs with regards to noise, heat, power etc.:)

Thats just rubbish to be honest, when the 5850 launched we knew the next cards wouldn't be around till what was May-ish for Nvidia and likely a year later for AMD. Buying a card when the new range is out in two months and most importantly, most of the details will be known in only a month is completely and obviously different.

Thing is the specs will give a HUGE clue as to whats going on, if a 3200 shader core is announced, expect AMD to have made a £400-500 card that will be limited in availability, if they make a 1600shader card, expect it to be lower price than right now, IE they've shrunk it, maybe improved speed a little and improved costs most likely. If its somewhere inbetween its likely they'll fit in at the current or marginally higher price points with the current cards, the 5870 especially, the 480gtx, the 475gtx and the 460gtx all getting price cuts.

So a month away to know if £200 now will get you a 5850 -ish performance, or a card half as fast again. Again, its madness to not wait to see some informal yet normally 98% accurate specs.

Also when the 5850 launched you couldn't be sure when the price might drop or go up, theres a 98% chance of 5850/5870/5970/460gtx/475gtx(will be out by then)/480gtx price cuts when the new cards come out.
 
Is your CPU overclocked? If it is at stock speed, it could cause lower frame rate (both minimum and average) than what the 5850 is fully capable of.

If CPU is not the issue, then I think you best bet is try to pick up a 2nd 5850 (2nd hand may be) for crossfire, as the moment you sell your 5850 you will lose money.
 
Think il wait till september and be happy with what i have for the moment, im sure their's lots of people who would want a 5850 but cant. If no good news of the 6*** series by september, then il go for a GTX480/GTX475 and be done with it, will last me a good while and il probably w/c next year.

Thx v.m for the responses :)
 
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