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[iamtheoneneo]

The success of a movie has no bearing of its quality. Given I watched the film last night, I was simply telling my point of view on the film , something everyone else has done in this thread. Some like it , some don't - great! But what you posted in your reply to my original text was you simply butthurt, and i'm sorry you don't agree, that your entitled to.

It wasn't a decent movie, that isn't being irrationally negative, that's how my brain perceived the 3 hour snooze fest that me and the equally annoyed and bored Mrs had to endure last night. Just because its a Tolkien story does not give it a free pass, just like when Ep1 came out and everyone was jerking off over it,then the hype died down and it "wasn't a good movie" anymore.

 

[NeilF]

The success of a movie has no bearing of its quality.

No, indeed. But it clearly annoys some people such that they feel the need to voice their negativity about it louder than might otherwise seem reasonable.

But what you posted in your reply to my original text was you simply butthurt

No it shows that I'm pointing out a rant for what it is. Nothing more... Nothing less. I doubt you even know my thoughts on the film...

It wasn't a decent movie, that isn't being irrationally negative.

Your exact words were "It is in no way a decent movie." You went the extra mile to imply there's no redeeming aspect to it at all. Which is what I'd expect from a rant.

everyone was jerking off over it

You clearly feel this was the opinion of "The Hobbit", so you feel you need to balance the scales in some way?



Anyway, many others have pointed out issues with the film, myself included... You clearly feel the film is an affront to the screen, where others are more 'relaxed' about it... Let's move on..

 

[smit101]

Watched the blu ray version of this yesterday. Truly excellent, enjoyed it even more than previous viewing at the flicks over Christmas. Quite a few bits and pieces that I'd either forgotten or missed at the cinema. Video quality probably best I've seen on blu ray, amazing clarity and colour. Not sure if it's my imagination but the sweeping helicam shots of the Middle Earth landscape seem to pan much more smoothly than anything I've seen previously. It's such a stunning presentation I'm tempted to give it another viewing today.

Only gripe would be the LFE seems to be lacking in areas where they could really have layed it on, otherwise though the audio is up with the video quality.

 

[NeilF]

^ Yet to see it a second time yet.

 

[easyrider]

Watched the blu ray version of this yesterday. Truly excellent, enjoyed it even more than previous viewing at the flicks over Christmas. Quite a few bits and pieces that I'd either forgotten or missed at the cinema. Video quality probably best I've seen on blu ray, amazing clarity and colour. Not sure if it's my imagination but the sweeping helicam shots of the Middle Earth landscape seem to pan much more smoothly than anything I've seen previously. It's such a stunning presentation I'm tempted to give it another viewing today.

Only gripe would be the LFE seems to be lacking in areas where they could really have layed it on, otherwise though the audio is up with the video quality.

Just because visually the picture and sound are good does not hide the fact the film is turd.

I can't stomach people that buy Blurays purely for the Visuals and disregard the narrative and direction and acting.

I have a cinema room and watch films as they evoke an emotional response.

The Hobbit failed on all accounts.

 

[easyrider]

The success of a movie has no bearing of its quality. Given I watched the film last night, I was simply telling my point of view on the film , something everyone else has done in this thread. Some like it , some don't - great! But what you posted in your reply to my original text was you simply butthurt, and i'm sorry you don't agree, that your entitled to.

It wasn't a decent movie, that isn't being irrationally negative, that's how my brain perceived the 3 hour snooze fest that me and the equally annoyed and bored Mrs had to endure last night. Just because its a Tolkien story does not give it a free pass, just like when Ep1 came out and everyone was jerking off over it,then the hype died down and it "wasn't a good movie" anymore.

Totally agree. Dragged out for the sake of coin.

Dull, Boring, nothingness.

Tim from the office in bad prosthetic feet...oh and a few eagles...

 

[NeilF]

^^ Another quality insight to "filter" Note the repeated rants for greater rant'ism.

 

[easyrider]

^^ Another quality insight to "filter" Note the repeated rants for greater rant'ism.

Your Justification on its quality and wanting its acceptance is rant enough.

Stand back and listen to yourself.

You don't have an argument. Not one.

Your responses are moot!

NEXT

 

[NeilF]

Your Justification on its quality and wanting its acceptance is rant enough.

Stand back and listen to yourself.

You don't have an argument. Not one.

Your responses are moot!

You may have noticed I'm not the one somewhat unfairly declaring the film as "nothingness" or "failed on all accounts," or suggesting my interpretation of what "evokes an emotional response" is the measure for all others to adhere to...

Simply pointing out those who are... These being the folks who will go over-board on negativity for seemingly nothing more than attention. Typically they'll bold and increase font size too...

 

[Marsman]

So there is to be an extended edition, and more than likely of the other two films as well. No surprise there then. An extended edition of a film that is one third of quite a short book, that is already too long as it is. As Bilbo said in The Fellowship of the Ring; 'I feel thin, sort of stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread.'

Having extended editions of LotR was great, here though it seems as though they are getting their money's worth out of that poor old cow.

 

[NeilF]

So there is to be an extended edition, and more than likely of the other two films as well. No surprise there then. An extended edition of a film that is one third of quite a short book, that is already too long as it is. As Bilbo said in The Fellowship of the Ring; 'I feel thin, sort of stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread.'

Having extended editions of LotR was great, here though it seems as though they are getting their money's worth out of that poor old cow.

Any info on what the extended bit are? I must admit I can't see where there's room for it either!

 

[Infidelus]

Totally agree. Dragged out for the sake of coin.

Dull, Boring, nothingness.

Tim from the office in bad prosthetic feet...oh and a few eagles...

Your opinion (which you are of course entitled to). Some of us however thoroughly enjoyed the film.

 

[R0B75]

I watched it last week on Blu Ray for the first time.

I wasn't impressed overall. Dull but beautiful would sum it up for me. I loved the LOTR trilogy.

Compared to the Fellowship the Hobbit doesn't even come close to being as good. Its clear the story has been padded out to make it into a trilogy and I've not even read the Hobbit! Too much in the film where literally nothing happened. Zzzzz. People reckon there will be an extended version....WTF?? Will there's be scenes added of people sleeping and going to the toilet!?

 

[v0n]

I've gone through this movie in my head back and forward at least doesn't time and I still can't figure out how they managed to get it so wrong.

At first I thought this was the "Lucas syndrome". LoTR trilogy was very adult. Hobbit is infantile. Usually when director reaches the age where they just can't help but make movies for what they presume their grand children would enjoy, rather than the child inside of them. But it can't be that. And yet, how do you jump from Enya in soundtrack to what can only be described as SNL sketch. There is no genre on this earth than grown up men with badly glued fake noses belching out voudeville tunes could make better. I know it's in the book, but so was Tom Bombadil, I thought it was established we are not going that way with Tolkien. Ever. And then this **** strikes. And by god. It was one Jack Black short of cruise ship quality entertainment.

Then we have CGI. Shouldn't be that much worse than original LoTR, right? And yet, something has definitely gone wrong. It's Lucasart fake and clean. Motion is borderline in game graphics in some scenes. How is this possible? How can movie with this budget look worse than some episodes of Game of Thrones? Why is it looking like an Assassins Creed map with too much HDR and soft focus when you look away from the centre of the screen? Even Gollum looks more fake now. I just can't put my finger on it. Is it just the viewers growing up? Are we just used to it? Has CGI stagnated to this degree?

And then there is pacing. Why is it made into three part epic? It's a short adventure trip. This should be a machine gun full of "oh" "ah" moments. Instead we sat for three hours to see nothing happened. Yes, we had some King Salomon Mines "quality" action at some point. And some cockney cabbie humour. And yet. Nothing happened. They tricked us, precioussss. It's just all wrong.

This is Peter Jackson's "Phantom Menace". But worse, this is the undoing of the original epic journey. The moment where LoTR collector editions start going down in price and people become too embarrassed to admit just how much of a fan they were and how much they waited for this turd. This time no amount of pizza, rollups and beer will get anyone to sit down with their friends and go through 190 minutes of dwarves eating and dwarves motherloving singing and dwarves walking and not much happening otherwise. This snooze fest also puts an end to the LoTR evenings. Because you know that LoTR universe is no longer dead serious and full of creepy characters and constant battles between good and evil. It is now populated by goby munchkin cast of "The Sound Of Music" tricking cretin villains. Just like you can not watch the original Star Wars trilogy with a straight face knowing that underneath that once dark, ruthless and scary black mask is just hyperventilated Heiden Christiansen screaming "Noooooooo!!!!!" down his personalised porta-potty cabin.

 

[aardvark]

I've gone through this movie in my head back and forward at least doesn't time and I still can't figure out how they managed to get it so wrong.

At first I thought this was the "Lucas syndrome". LoTR trilogy was very adult. Hobbit is infantile. Usually when director reaches the age where they just can't help but make movies for what they presume their grand children would enjoy, rather than the child inside of them. But it can't be that. And yet, how do you jump from Enya in soundtrack to what can only be described as SNL sketch. There is no genre on this earth than grown up men with badly glued fake noses belching out voudeville tunes could make better. I know it's in the book, but so was Tom Bombadil, I thought it was established we are not going that way with Tolkien. Ever. And then this **** strikes. And by god. It was one Jack Black short of cruise ship quality entertainment.

Then we have CGI. Shouldn't be that much worse than original LoTR, right? And yet, something has definitely gone wrong. It's Lucasart fake and clean. Motion is borderline in game graphics in some scenes. How is this possible? How can movie with this budget look worse than some episodes of Game of Thrones? Why is it looking like an Assassins Creed map with too much HDR and soft focus when you look away from the centre of the screen? Even Gollum looks more fake now. I just can't put my finger on it. Is it just the viewers growing up? Are we just used to it? Has CGI stagnated to this degree?

And then there is pacing. Why is it made into three part epic? It's a short adventure trip. This should be a machine gun full of "oh" "ah" moments. Instead we sat for three hours to see nothing happened. Yes, we had some King Salomon Mines "quality" action at some point. And some cockney cabbie humour. And yet. Nothing happened. They tricked us, precioussss. It's just all wrong.

This is Peter Jackson's "Phantom Menace". But worse, this is the undoing of the original epic journey. The moment where LoTR collector editions start going down in price and people become too embarrassed to admit just how much of a fan they were and how much they waited for this turd. This time no amount of pizza, rollups and beer will get anyone to sit down with their friends and go through 190 minutes of dwarves eating and dwarves motherloving singing and dwarves walking and not much happening otherwise. This snooze fest also puts an end to the LoTR evenings. Because you know that LoTR universe is no longer dead serious and full of creepy characters and constant battles between good and evil. It is now populated by goby munchkin cast of "The Sound Of Music" tricking cretin villains. Just like you can not watch the original Star Wars trilogy with a straight face knowing that underneath that once dark, ruthless and scary black mask is just hyperventilated Heiden Christiansen screaming "Noooooooo!!!!!" down his personalised porta-potty cabin.

i wish that wasn't true, but it is.

 

[Kenai]

But worse, this is the undoing of the original epic journey. The moment where LoTR collector editions start going down in price and people become too embarrassed to admit just how much of a fan they were and how much they waited for this turd.

Strikes me as a bit of an overreaction

It wasn't as good as LoTR but I don't think it was bad by any means.

 

[smit101]

Just because visually the picture and sound are good does not hide the fact the film is turd.

Not sure how I'm supposed to respond to that, not exactly an intelligent or constructive criticism is it?

We're all entitled to our opinion of course, 'The Hobbit An Unexpect Journey' is IMO a great adaptation of the first third of the book, Jackson has expanded on the lore of Middle Earth giving us some nice back story of Erebor and the plight of the Dwarves. Everything about the film just hit the spot for me and IMO Jackson has once again managed to capture the spirit of Tolkiens writing and adapted it for the big screen brilliantly.

I dunno, maybe I'm just young at heart, but watching the Hobbit (as does The LOTR trilogy) takes me right back to when I first read the book as a child and it manages to rekindle the magic I felt as Tolkiens worlds unfolded in my imagination.

I can't stomach people that buy Blurays purely for the Visuals and disregard the narrative and direction and acting.

I don't buy or enjoy films where the narrative doesn't appeal to me, narratively some would argue that Tolkiens books/stories are among the most imaginative and original ever written, Jackson IMO captures and translates it to the screen extremely well.

have a cinema room and watch films as they evoke an emotional response.

Yeah I've seen your various cinema set ups over the years, very impressive they are too, I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty good setup myself.

I can safely say though, all the films I buy evoke an emotional response in me, it's the main criteria I use in my buying choices. I've been accused of a few things in my time, but I can safely say I've never been accused of lacking emotion, a few on here would probably attest to that. The Hobbit evokes strong emotional response in me, that's the main reason why I like it so much, The plight of The Dwarves and particularly Thorin's history are IMO very moving.

 

[Marsman]

Any info on what the extended bit are? I must admit I can't see where there's room for it either!

No idea. Jackson originally said there wouldn't be an extended version; something along those lines. I'm guessing Warner possibly did some arm twisting with the thought of all the extra money they could grab with an extended version released later in the year, after seeing how well the extended versions of LotR have done.

Both Warner and Jackson have said there will be an extended edition released before The Desolation of Smaug comes to cinemas.

 

[NeilF]

we sat for three hours to see nothing happened. Yes, we had some King Salomon Mines "quality" action at some point.

"Something" certainly happened for me!

Strangely I found the pacing OK. I quite enjoyed the long stay in Bilbo's house and slowing sinking back into Hobbiton. But then I went in having read lots of warnings of its slow start so maybe was prepared.

I was frustrated by some of the unnecessary changes from the source material, and seeming invulnarability of the characters (this could be the CGI you refer too?).

Was it as good as LOTR for me? No... Was it an insult to my intelligence? No... As far as I was concerned is was a fairly good attempt at bringing the Hobbit to the screen, but I hope the next two improve as I feel there is room to do so.

 

[easyrider]

We're all entitled to our opinion of course, 'The Hobbit An Unexpect Journey' is IMO a great adaptation of the first third of the book, Jackson has expanded on the lore of Middle Earth giving us some nice back story of Erebor and the plight of the Dwarves. Everything about the film just hit the spot for me and IMO Jackson has once again managed to capture the spirit of Tolkiens writing and adapted it for the big screen brilliantly.

I dunno, maybe I'm just young at heart, but watching the Hobbit (as does The LOTR trilogy) takes me right back to when I first read the book as a child and it manages to rekindle the magic I felt as Tolkiens worlds unfolded in my imagination.




I don't buy or enjoy films where the narrative doesn't appeal to me, narratively some would argue that Tolkiens books/stories are among the most imaginative and original ever written, Jackson IMO captures and translates it to the screen extremely well.




Yeah I've seen your various cinema set ups over the years, very impressive they are too, I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty good setup myself.

I can safely say though, all the films I buy evoke an emotional response in me, it's the main criteria I use in my buying choices. I've been accused of a few things in my time, but I can safely say I've never been accused of lacking emotion, a few on here would probably attest to that. The Hobbit evokes strong emotional response in me, that's the main reason why I like it so much, The plight of The Dwarves and particularly Thorin's history are IMO very moving.

Fair do's and quality post.