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Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 306 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 295 49.1%
  • Total voters
    601
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dirtydog said:
I have no interest in 'killing' anyone, and it isn't legal in international law, not to mention morally acceptable, to go around murdering foreign leaders just because you don't like the way they run their country.
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Yes, but as you said earlier 'basic right and wrong' would dictate that Gaddafi is SERIOUSLY in the wrong by killing innocent people just because they dont like him.

Its clear he's an unstable nutter with a lot of weaponry, and a lot of a resource we want. We can help the innocent people there and get something good out of it at the same time.

And the UN are behind it, we probably wouldn't have done anything if they weren't.

meghatronic said:
What an ill-defined poll:

"Should the British armed forces be in Libya during the current crisis?: Yes / No.

Define "in".
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I thought this too when I first saw it, very vague.
 
dirtydog said:
Those Canadian reserves are misleading incidentally, because although they have vast reserves of oil from tar sands, they cannot and never will be able to produce it in very large daily quantities. (Plus production is a lot more cost and energy intensive than, say, Libyan oil.)
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Canadian daily production is more than double that of Libya, new technology is coming on-line to make oil sands cheaper and production output better.
 
dirtydog said:
Those Canadian reserves are misleading incidentally, because although they have vast reserves of oil from tar sands, they cannot and never will be able to produce it in very large daily quantities. (Plus production is a lot more cost and energy intensive than, say, Libyan oil.)
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In 50yrs, maybe less, suddenly those sands are very profitable... :)
 
Firestar_3x said:
Canadian daily production is more than double that of Libya, new technology is coming on-line to make oil sands cheaper and production output better.
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Yes. But it will always be costly and energy intensive compared to conventional liquid production. We can make oil from coal but we don't because it's too expensive.
 
dirtydog said:
Yes. But it will always be costly and energy intensive compared to conventional liquid production. We can make oil from coal but we don't because it's too expensive.
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Depends on how the rest of the reserves pan out, if we have to drill ultra deep water wells then oil sands may well work out cheaper, but in the current position i agree, oil sands is more expensive currently.
 
meghatronic said:
In 50yrs, maybe less, suddenly those sands are very profitable... :)
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They are very profitable now. But it isn't just about money. I am talking about the cost in terms of energy and other resources (like water) to produce the oil. ie. you can look at the reserves we have but you have to figure that a proportion of the oil left will be needed to be consumed in order to produce the oil in the first place.
 
Firestar_3x said:
Depends on how the rest of the reserves pan out, if we have to drill ultra deep water wells then oil sands may well work out cheaper, but in the current position i agree, oil sands is more expensive currently.
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The fact we even use that stuff or bother to drill in ultra deep water or the Arctic etc. tends to illustrate that oil supplies are tight like I said earlier, and hence when a producer of the 'easy' stuff, the best stuff, turns off the taps due to civil unrest then it's a no brainer why we're getting involved right now.
 
Someone mind summoning this lot up? Last I heard anything was they were about to announce who was going to lead the coalition...

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dirtydog said:
They are very profitable now. But it isn't just about money. I am talking about the cost in terms of energy and other resources (like water) to produce the oil. ie. you can look at the reserves we have but you have to figure that a proportion of the oil left will be needed to be consumed in order to produce the oil in the first place.
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I meant, when there is no oil left, it'd be worth it. Even if it had a 0.5% efficiency or something silly.
 
dirtydog said:
The fact we even use that stuff or bother to drill in ultra deep water or the Arctic etc. tends to illustrate that oil supplies are tight like I said earlier, and hence when a producer of the 'easy' stuff, the best stuff, turns off the taps due to civil unrest then it's a no brainer why we're getting involved right now.
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Shame i'm not in work today because i've got some cracking production breakdowns based on rig / vessel type, location, well type etc.
 
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