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[Danthus]

What is so good about them?

Where have I preached from the rooftops abut Iran, people cite the country as being bad, what is that based on?

 

[Andr3w]

GODWIN'D! Thread over.

Lmao

 

[Danthus]

The BBC have just reported that the Arab League do not want NATO control and that Italy will revoke the use of their bases is NATO does not take control.

Going well then I see.

 

[Johno please?]

Where have I preached from the rooftops abut Iran, people cite the country as being bad, what is that based on?

Oh come on, really?

Their nutcase president that is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was proclaiming the 9/11 attacks to be carried out by the US on TV not so long ago, that can only be believed by a non thinking person, and he's the president

And I don't think I even need to go into detail about the treatment of women in Iran.

 

[coltpython3]

Oh come on, really?

Their nutcase president that is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was proclaiming the 9/11 attacks to be carried out by the US on TV not so long ago, that can only be believed by a non thinking person, and he's the president

And I don't think I even need to go into detail about the treatment of women in Iran.

the fact that there was no official enquirys for both 9/11 & 7/7 says everything

 

[Pinkribbonscars]

Give me an example then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basij

During the final years of the Iran–Iraq War tens of thousands of young Basij were killed in (ultimately unsucessful) attacks against Iraqi forces.[12] Iran made use of its superior numbers and revolutionary fervor for self-sacrifice to compensate for its lack of military technology.[12] Believing that they were holy martyrs and chanting songs about the Battle of Karbala, in which the Imam Hussein died a heroic death, the basij cleared minefields as "human waves" so that more experienced soldiers could advance against the enemy.[13] The Basij reportedly marched into battle marking their expected entry to heaven by wearing plastic "keys to paradise" around their necks, (although this is disputed).

The human wave tactic was implemented in the following way: The barely armed children and teenagers had to move continuously forward in perfectly straight rows. It did not matter whether they fell as canon fodder to enemy fire or detonated the mines with their bodies. The important thing was that the Basij continued to move forward over the torn and mutilated remains of their fallen comrades, going to their death in wave after wave. “They come toward our positions in huge hordes with their fists swinging,” an Iraqi officer complained in the summer of 1982. “You can shoot down the first wave and then the second. But at some point the corpses are piling up in front of you, and all you want to do is scream and throw away your weapon. Those are human beings, after all.”[14]

Horrible country.

 

[Danthus]

Oh come on, really?

Their nutcase president that is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was proclaiming the 9/11 attacks to be carried out by the US on TV not so long ago, that can only be believed by a non thinking person, and he's the president

And I don't think I even need to go into detail about the treatment of women in Iran.

OK, so he spouts some ridiculous rhetoric, hardly a reason to brand the nation.

As for the treatment of women, it is a cultural stance, not one unique to Iran either. It is not one I particularly agree with but it is a matter for Iran and its people.

 

[Brian8bit]

The British did the same at The Somme.

 

[Biohazard]

Did what?

 

[Firestar_3x]

22.17 Mohammed al-Nabbous, a Libyan online TV journalist, has become the second reporter to be killed in the conflict after he was shot dead by a sniper in Benghazi on Saturday, the Vienna-based International Press Institute said.

Nasty place to be, wonder which side the shooter was on?

 

[Brian8bit]

Did what?

Sent young men to the slaughter in waves.

But because the Arabs do it, of course, that's improper.

 

[Pinkribbonscars]

The British did the same at The Somme.

What I quoted was an indoctrinated army of children, whose soul purpose was cannon fodder. The Somme may have been horendous, but it least the soldiers had some hope of getting accross the trenches and fighting. The Somme was also nearly 100 years ago, before the advent of mechanised warfare, we made mistakes such as the Somme because we had no choice and we were developing modern tactics.

 

[Johno please?]

the fact that there was no official enquirys for both 9/11 & 7/7 says everything

Yea the spanish government also carried out the Madrid bombings and Indonesia were behind the Bali bombing.

 

[dannyjo22]

We should wash our hands of this asap.

If ever I needed any evidence that the tories wouldn't have handled Iraq any better that Blair it's this new shambles. Like we have a right to remove a dictator from a country because it suits our purpose.

Yet it's alright for armed rebels to protest in the manner they have.

I'd have been happier to leave him to his own countries problems. For years on here I've listened to people saying we should have left Saddam alone as he was better at controlling his country.

We should have either left Gaddafi to do the same or let another country do the dirty work.

Instead we stick ourselves in the firing line again, when we can't afford it and are ill equipped to keep spreading ourselves so thinly.

 

[Firestar_3x]

The British did the same at The Somme.

LOL, hows that even that same!

 

[Brian8bit]

What I quoted was an indoctrinated army of children, whose soul purpose was cannon fodder. The Somme may have been horendous, but it least the soldiers had some hope of getting accross the trenches and fighting. The Somme was also nearly 100 years ago, before the advent of mechanised warfare, we made mistakes such as the Somme because we had no choice and we were developing modern tactics.

And the wiki article clearly states that the Iranians did not have the hardware or tactics to fight the Iraqis.

It's no different. An indoctrinated "For King and Country" and an indoctrinated "For Allah".

The men (and boys) of the Somme had little hope for getting across. The Somme was only the largest attempt at getting across with the largest loss of life. After that, they continued sending waves of men across no-mans land, filled with unexploded ordinance and in the line of fire of German soldiers, who after the war, said the exact same things about the Allied advance as the Iraqi officer did about the bodies piling up.

And don't even get me started on them slaughtering the 36th so they could pass home rule.

 

[Firestar_3x]

If ever I needed any evidence that the tories wouldn't have handled Iraq any better that Blair it's this new shambles. Like we have a right to remove a dictator from a country because it suits our purpose.

Instead we stick ourselves in the firing line again, when we can't afford it and are ill equipped to keep spreading ourselves so thinly.

1) The reason behind going to war and the legal standing are in much better shape this time round, so score 1 Tories.

2) The assets we have depoyed have not been to the detrement of any other operations.

3) We have a allocated yearly conflict budget.

 

[Brian8bit]

LOL, hows that even that same!

How's it not? They gave the order to advance across no-mans land, knowing damn well that they would be slaughtered? And pip pip, they did it for King and country.

So when the British mindlessly walk into the guns of the enemy, it's a stiff upper lip and for old blighty. But when the Arabs do it, it's "suicidal" and a "horrible country".

What it is, is bull**** snobbery, elitism and racism.

 

[Danthus]

Is it just coincidence that ITV are screening a program as we speak about the murder of Yvonne Fletcher?

 

[[TW]Fox]

From BBC..

The British parliament has voted overwhelmingly in favour of the military action in Libya - 557 MPs voted in favour and 13 against.

As much as I feel uneasy about the whole situation, at the end of the day we did vote for these people to represent us and make decisions in matters that despite the use of wikipedia, we don't fully understand ourselves. We cannot therefore moan when they do exactly that - it appears almost unanimous?

Being an armchair general on the internet and saying categorically we should do X or we shouldn't do why whilst making assumptions about reasoning is all very well but in reality none of us really know what we are talking about - we just like to think we do. We are not in command of all the facts, are we? And its probably inappropriate that we ever should be.