Poll: DELETED_74993

[sanaxe1]

I could imagine you being one of the first to moan if those tanks decided to push forward and NATO had not done anything.

" Why did they not blow them up they were at the side of the road , i thought this was supposed to be about protecting civilians , NATO , our government that bloke down the street with the dog are USELESS. What a joke."

 

[arknor]

in the 2+ days when the weather was to bad for airstrikes did you see gaddafis frontline moving? seems hes trying to maintain a frontline and weather the storm knowing nato cant go on forever.

i doubt those tanks were a threat to anyone as they were nowhere near the frontline.

one rule for the rebels another for gaddafi though eh...

i wish more countries would just openly admit what this is about and its not protecting civilians atleast america is almost telling the truth with "gaddafi must go" even thought eh resolution thats pretty much ignored anyway doesnt call for it

 

[WingZero30]

The truth is majority of arabs have never known how to rule their lands. Hence they have been subjugated to external powers. It is in the last 50-60 years that they have been freed. But now look they still have divisions and still the tribal mentality pervades in those arab countries.

I would say let the arabs sort out their mess themselves. But ofcourse it is the oil factor which is very tempting for external powers.

I was discussing this with my family and we agreed that oil aka 'black gold' which was meant to be a blessing in their lands turned out be a thorn factor and went against the arabs.

If arabs had been wise, they would have used oil wealth to develop their lands with good modern infrastructure which granted is in some places such as gulf. However that money should have also been spent heavily on education along with bringing their population in modern times. But alas tribal mentality is hindering them heavily. They need to empower their women aswell so they can actively participate in social-building rather than marginalising them.

I have been reading that israel alone produces many scientific papers every year which can't be matched by combined arab countries.

I am surprised that despite sharing the same language, culture and mindset, the 22 arab countries have never been able to get on with each other. They are 'fail' in international politics.

 

[Biohazard]

I am surprised that despite sharing the same language, culture and mindset, the 22 arab countries have never been able to get on with each other. They are 'fail' in international politics.

They do get on with each other on the whole. They aren't a fail at international politics that has little to do with the real issue, it's just interference with a different style of society and governance.

 

[Strife212]

I am starting to beleive this operation is a mistake.

I dont think its about oil and I think the intentions are honourable, but I'm not really sure it's our fight to be involved with.

Yeah that's pretty much it.

If there was an armed insurgency in any country it would be put down with force, what do people expect?

 

[arknor]

Yeah that's pretty much it.

If there was an armed insurgency in any country it would be put down with force, what do people expect?

i wonder wether it was ever unarmed protestors.. like the western media tried to tell us along with the western leaders.

they quickly went from a bunch of protestors who had to take up arms into a bunch of people with tanks , apcs , jets , attack helicopters , mortars , aa guns , missile launchers, artillery.

it smells more like a military coup gone terribly wrong because gaddafis family control the well armed and importaint parts of the military

Well, I'd expect the international community to act to stop any war crimes/genocide/crimes against humanity ;3.

lolwut? its a war not a bunch of unarmed civilians...

what do you think would happen if we took to the streets with tanks , rpgs , aa guns , choppers , jets etc? our goverment would just bowdown.

its not really that much different to what america and the uk did to the tribal areas of afghanistan although i expect a lot more innocents died there

 

[arknor]

lol i see everyone is calling for gaddafi to go now, didnt take that long for peoples real aims to come out now the public doesnt have much intrest in libya anymore.

nevermind the barbaric atrocties that are going on in other parts of the world for months now.....

 

[Danthus]

I am starting to beleive this operation is a mistake.

I dont think its about oil and I think the intentions are honourable, but I'm not really sure it's our fight to be involved with.

What made you think it was a good idea to begin with?

As for honourable intentions, it seems they have stopped now that the major oil infrastructure has been secured from Gaddafi.

 

[meghatronic]

As for honourable intentions, it seems they have stopped now that the major oil infrastructure has been secured from Gaddafi.

"stopped"?

 

[Danthus]

"stopped"?

Stopped may have been the wrong word, but NATO are being asked to intensify their action.

None of the campaign so far, the air strikes stops the killing on the ground with small weapons. The only way for that to happened is boots on the ground.

So, the has the humanitarian mission been fulfilled or was it just a big ruse?

 

[arknor]

they are only calling for more air strikes becausew the rebels arent winning and gaddafi will remain in power at this rate.

rebels decline the cease fire proposal aswel... like they never stoped fighting on the original cease fire yet gaddafi gets blamed.

i hope to god the rebels get in power and some terrorist nutter religious fanatical freak gets in power i really do

 

[mmj_uk]

If this is true we're doing far more harm than good to the people of Libya.

http://rt.com/usa/news/nato-depleted-uranium-libya/

 

[arknor]

A French plane has landed in rebel stronghold Benghazi with 10 tonnes of medical supplies.

yea and the rest i bet seeing as the rebels are getting desperate for ammo... where do the rebels get all of these american made rockets from aswell? weve all saw them#

A spokesman for Libyan rebels has urged the US military to reassert a stronger role in the Nato-led air campaign or risk more civilian casualties.

ironic seeing as the rebels spam rockets into brega... yet when gaddafi attacks ajdabiya's rebels who are firing the rockets randomly into brega his forces get bombed.

 

[meghatronic]

Stopped may have been the wrong word, but NATO are being asked to intensify their action.

So then "stopped" is totally the wrong word then! You didn't mean stop at all, in fact you didn't even mean it's antonym. You probably meant to say"NATO are being asked to intensify their action".

 

[I_M_Weasel]

If this is true we're doing far more harm than good to the people of Libya.

http://rt.com/usa/news/nato-depleted-uranium-libya/

That article doesn't sound right, apparently DU bombs were being dropped! I don't think there's such a thing as DU bomb. DU was used in Armour piercing rounds, fired from a Gun (usually a large gun), its not used in missiles (they'll have an explosive HEAT warhead).

So I think that articles nonsense and a 25% child abnormality rate sounds high chernobyl might struggle to cause that much harm.

 

[doodah]

Forces loyal to embattled Libyan ruler Colonel Muammar Gaddafi have killed at least 10,000 people during the ongoing fighting in the North African country, the opposition says.


Libya's National Transition Council said on Tuesday that another 30,000 were wounded and 20,000 more are still missing, AFP reported

Source

10,000 you say? A little bit fishy? About the same figures as the Japanese tsunami. If that many people were dying - would we not be seeing some of this by now?

 

[arknor]

the rebels are full of BS they will claim anything to get nato backing..

they are a joke they claim civilians in masrata are being targeted,... right no cvilians will even be there for along time the same as the journalists that sometimes go to ajdabiya have told us all the civilians have left.

yet nato keep insisting gaddafi is shelling civilians in miserata and ajdabiya... its all horse crap there are no civilians only rebel insurgents.. borderline terrorists


were are all the bodies? the nato countries have the technology to monitor everything going on even when the rebels were claiming gaddafi had been bombing civilians in miserata at the start of it all russia came out and said they had been watching with there spy satelites and there was no evidence it ever took place.

the nato countries dont care about the propaganda because its the same rubbish they tell us.

That article doesn't sound right, apparently DU bombs were being dropped! I don't think there's such a thing as DU bomb. DU was used in Armour piercing rounds, fired from a Gun (usually a large gun), its not used in missiles (they'll have an explosive HEAT warhead).

So I think that articles nonsense and a 25% child abnormality rate sounds high chernobyl might struggle to cause that much harm.

its not the warhead its the tip on the missiles/bombs that make them have so much penetration power.

heres an intresting article from 2006
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article732523.ece

Government officials, however, say the sharp rise in uranium detected by radiation monitors in Berkshire was a coincidence and probably came from local sources. [lol i can smell the BS]

The results from testing stations at the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) in Aldermaston and four other stations within a 10-mile radius were obtained by Chris Busby, of Liverpool University’s department of human anatomy and cell biology.

Each detector recorded a significant rise in uranium levels during the Gulf war bombing campaign in March 2003. The reading from a park in Reading was high enough for the Environment Agency to be alerted. [i wonder how high the levels were in iraq if the levels in reading were enough to be concerned about]

 

[Tefal]

If this is true we're doing far more harm than good to the people of Libya.

http://rt.com/usa/news/nato-depleted-uranium-libya/

does seem utter bs on the rates of birth defects etc, although it doesn't take into account anything they were exposed to by Iraqi weapons (which also use DU,) and more importantly all the crap from the destroyed buildings which is pretty carcinogenic.

 

[elmuzzy66.]

British task force on exercise in the med with albion, cardigan bay and a frigate set from gibraltar, with 650 marines.

 

[arknor]

does seem utter bs on the rates of birth defects etc, although it doesn't take into account anything they were exposed to by Iraqi weapons (which also use DU,) and more importantly all the crap from the destroyed buildings which is pretty carcinogenic.

what depleated uranium weapons did saddam hussein have? he didnt even have the technology to make depleated uranium

you do realise depleated uranium is the by product of enriching natural uranium for use in nuclear power plants and nuclear bombs right? saddam hussein didnt have the technology for this