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[Hatter The Mad]

Not so liberal though really!

Of course they should receive state funding, the Parents who send their children to faith schools pay their taxes like anyone else.

So I am not liberal because I want to fund schools that pander to and sympathise with the irrationalities of parents? Should I also be happy with the government funding a school set up by the National Front, too?

Far too many people have a really skewed idea of what goes on in Faith Schools compared to non-Faith schools. You do realise that ALL schools teach RE and with rare exceptions Children are no more indoctrinated in school as they are anywhere else.

I was educated in modern and very good catholic nursery, primary, secondary and sixth form school. It isn't just about RE. It is about regular mass, regular visits to the church, regular visits from a priest, having to go through the process of first communion, having to say prayers.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Does that refer to this particular petition though, where does it state that this petition is being moved to Direct.Gov?

No.. Super said that the government had closed the petitions site down, when in fact it is being moved to DirectGov this year.

 

[fozter]

Let the children make up their mind, if they want to be religious, they will be. And if they don't, they'll wake up. Although it should definitely be taught in RE/PSHE time, it was when I was in school.

 

[PermaBanned]

No.. Super said that the government had closed the petitions site down, when in fact it is being moved to DirectGov this year.

It hasn't been up at all since they came to power, and i have no idea how it takes two years to 'move' a website.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

It hasn't been up at all since they came to power, and i have no idea how it takes two years to 'move' a website.

I'm not sure what your point is - are you saying that this notice is a lie and it isn't actually being moved to DirectGov?

 

[PermaBanned]

I'm saying that notice wasn't there last time i checked.

 

[Dolph]

I would sign it, but the petition point is appallingly worded and misleading, so although I fully agree with the principle that creationism has no place in a science class, I won't be signing.

 

[raikesi]

Just signed it.

What I wrote in the comments section:

As a college student myself, I can understand that whilst there need to be two sides to an argument, an argument based neither on science or known fact contributes nothing to a growing persons education, and only adds to the growing confusion suffered by many young people in the education system today. Whilst I am not against the creationist theory, I strongly oppose it being taught on the national curriculum alongside conflicting ideas which are supported by science.

 

[Castiel]

So I am not liberal because I want to fund schools that pander to and sympathise with the irrationalities of parents? Should I also be happy with the government funding a school set up by the National Front, too?

It's not that rational either if you feel the need to emote over my stating that it is not very liberal to want to remove public funding from schools that a significant portion of the tax paying public wish to send their children to. Generally because they offer better education than secular state schools.

You do not have to send your children to a faith school, but it isn't a very liberal attitude to obstruct others who do.

I was educated in modern and very good catholic nursery, primary, secondary and sixth form school. It isn't just about RE. It is about regular mass, regular visits to the church, regular visits from a priest, having to go through the process of first communion, having to say prayers.

My Wife and my Son both attended and still attend respectively a Catholic School, and my son spends very little time learning about religion, none whatsoever attending church (except to visit the local Cathedral and a Synagogue) and he doesn't have to attend mass or take communion, my wife concurs with this.

None of the various faith schools I attended tried to indoctrinate me either, we had a religious assembly each day and RE a couple of times a week, but like most kids I pretty much ignored it, as I think you'll find is true of most children in faith schools.

So much for indoctrination.

 

[Castiel]

No.. Super said that the government had closed the petitions site down, when in fact it is being moved to DirectGov this year.

I see, I thought he was referring to the petition site.

 

[Westyfield2]

Not signing.

Creatonism is a theory. The Big Bang is a theory. Darwin's Evolution is a theory. School's should not be teaching any one as fact and rubbishing the rest, that's just brain washing. Give the kids an overview of the three main theories, and let them decide for themselves what they wish to believe in.

Despite everything I'll say against my school, this was something that was done right. In my class the cleverest lad was a Christian, and the cleverest girl was a Christian. The rest of the class wasn't, so yes they were out numbered! Some of the science teachers were Christians. The teachers would give all theories the same time of day, let the class spend the lesson intelligently debating them, and end the lesson with "I'm not gonna brainwash you. You're top set. Decide for yourself what you want to believe".

 

[Hatter The Mad]

You do not have to send your children to a faith school, but it isn't a very liberal attitude to obstruct others who do.

Oh I completely agree - I wouldn't want to obstruct others. They can do what they like with their own money and within reason to their own children. I am just unhappy with my tax money going towards the religious indoctrination of children. And lets face it - thats why the Catholic diocese (etc) supports schools, to keep membership and reach up.

My Wife and my Son both attended and still attend respectively a Catholic School, and my son spends very little time learning about religion, none whatsoever attending church (except to visit the local Cathedral and a Synagogue) and he doesn't have to attend mass or take communion, my wife concurs with this.

Religious themed assemblies, visits from the priest, regular prayers at assemblies or registration. It is all indoctrination.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Creatonism is a theory. The Big Bang is a theory. Darwin's Evolution is a theory. School's should not be teaching any one as fact and rubbishing the rest, that's just brain washing. Give the kids an overview of the three main theories, and let them decide for themselves what they wish to believe in.

The problem here is that Creationism is put on the same playing field as the theory of evolution, which is just ******* absurd. Creationism has even less of an earned place in school than the flat earth theory - at least the flat earth theory was based on scientific observation at the time. Creationism is a story and nothing more.

 

[Angilion]

Thanks for the signatures guys; I'm relieved that people care enough to sign.

I don't feel like deceiving myself by thinking that I have done something useful if all I've done is add my name to a petition that will be ignored.

If anyone can provide me any evidence of any online petition ever having served any purpose other than giving signatories the warm fuzzies as they think they've done something, I might reconsider.

So 2000 random people clicked on something. Who's going to care about that? Certainly not the people running the school. They are liars deliberately spreading disinformation in order to advance their main agenda. They are hardly likely to care about powerless disapproval of their actions.

 

[Angilion]

Not signing.

Creatonism is a theory. The Big Bang is a theory. Darwin's Evolution is a theory. School's should not be teaching any one as fact and rubbishing the rest, that's just brain washing. Give the kids an overview of the three main theories, and let them decide for themselves what they wish to believe in.
[..]

That would make sense if those three were competing theories with similar degrees of evidence behind them.

That is not true. It is massive ignorance or deceit to claim that they are. Creationism isn't a scientific theory at all, let alone one with a similar degree of evidence. The word "theory" in the context of science has a radically different, in many ways mutually opposing, meaning to the word "theory" in common usage.

Let me stress that: Creationism is not a theory at all.

Anyone who does what you just did is either so ignorant of the issue that their opinion on it is completely worthless or they are a liar and propagandist playing bait and switch with the different meanings of "theory" in order to promote ignorance and give false status to their religion by abusing the earned credibility of science as a disguise. It's parasitical.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

It is a story.

If creationism is a theory, then Harry Potter is too.

 

[James J]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, signed.

 

[hurfdurf]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, signed.

Indeed.

There is no place in civilised society for religion or fairy tails for adults.

 

[Nitefly]

Not signing.

Creatonism is a theory. The Big Bang is a theory. Darwin's Evolution is a theory. School's should not be teaching any one as fact and rubbishing the rest, that's just brain washing. Give the kids an overview of the three main theories[/I]

Creationism is not a scientific theory. It doesn't belong beside evolution even though it attempts to explain the same thing.

 

[Castiel]

Oh I completely agree - I wouldn't want to obstruct others. They can do what they like with their own money and within reason to their own children. I am just unhappy with my tax money going towards the religious indoctrination of children. And lets face it - thats why the Catholic diocese (etc) supports schools, to keep membership and reach up.

It is not just your tax money, it is mine also. I pay my taxes and I am entitled to sent my child to the school that I think will give him the best education, that happens to be the local Catholic School. Who are you to say how the taxes that I pay are allocated, why should I pay a proportion of my taxes into the education budget, yet not receive any public funding for my child's education?

If you want to stop public funding of Faith Schools and they go fee paying independent, then I, and the millions of parents like me should have our tax bill reduced accordingly.

Besides Faith Schools are generally better funded, their ethos is more conducive to learning and compared to our local Secular school performance and behaviour of the student body is far better. Maybe in the interests of our children's education, more schools should be faith schools, not less.

Religious themed assemblies, visits from the priest, regular prayers at assemblies or registration. It is all indoctrination.

You are aware that schools with no church connection also have visiting priests, Religious Education and visit Churches and other religious sites regularly.