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e36Adz said:
During the time of Prophet Solomon PBUH. The difference being that he upheld Gods laws, and was righteous in his conduct whereas the current rulers of Jerusalem have violated Gods laws and are corrupt and wicked. It is down to the utter spiritual blindness of 'some' Christians and Jews, that they have allowed themselves to be deceived by this Israel which is an imposter. I know you are not a religious person but the fact that the Jewish people are still waiting for their Messiah is of massive importance in all these events that are occurring.
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The Kingdom of Israel, even under the biblical Solomon was never more than a minor State amongst far larger and powerful ones, such as the Neo-Hittites and Assyrians. In the scheme of things the Kingdom of Israel was a little fish in a big pond.

Historical Evidence for Solomon is scant to say the least and most historical evidence points to the Kingdom of Israel being a later invention to increase the importance of Judah amongst the Semite tribes under successive occupations.

e36Adz said:
I am sure you have studied the Hadith in-depth to know that though.
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I have, as you know and again as you know, I don't agree with your interpretation either. And as you will admit yourself neither do the vast majority of your Brethren.
 
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Castiel said:
The Kingdom of Israel, even under the biblical Solomon was never more than a minor State amongst far larger and powerful ones, such as the Neo-Hittites and Assyrians. In the scheme of things the Kingdom of Israel was a little fish in a big pond.

Historical Evidence for Solomon is scant to say the least and most historical evidence points to the Kingdom of Israel being a later invention to increase the importance of Judah amongst the Semite tribes under successive occupations.
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The actual area of a land does not qualify it to superpower status though. There is enough evidence in the Abrahamic faiths particularly in Islam to suggest that Solomans Kingdom was vast and he possessed power on Earth at that point in time with control over Jinn and Animals, a Kingdom the likes of which no prophet before him or after him ever had.

Castiel said:
I have, as you know and again as you know, I don't agree with your interpretation either. And as you will admit yourself neither do the vast majority of your Brethren.
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That was an entirely different topic. You will find few muslims if any, who disagree that Soloman PBUH existed and that his Kingdom was something grand. I will try and locate a hadith which I have read which compares the rule of the Mahdi, with that of Soloman PBUT in that he will too take control of all the Earth and no one will be able to oppose him.

As for the other topic namely Gog and Magog, we shall see how things pan out over the next few years. Like I said, I am happy to change my opinion on that interpretation until a stronger one is put forward. Have you had a chance to read those books by Imran Hosein yet?
 
e36Adz said:
The actual area of a land does not qualify it to superpower status though. There is enough evidence in the Abrahamic faiths particularly in Islam to suggest that Solomans Kingdom was vast and he possessed power on Earth at that point in time with control over Jinn and Animals, a Kingdom the likes of which no prophet before him or after him ever had.
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He had power over animals? What sort of power?
 
[TW]Fox;20492129 said:
He had power over animals? What sort of power?
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If you are interested in studying the history of prophet Soloman PBUH from an Islamic perspective, it is probably worth getting a book on the subject. Or if you want I can provide you with some links.
 
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e36Adz said:
The actual area of a land does not qualify it to superpower status though. There is enough evidence in the Abrahamic faiths particularly in Islam to suggest that Solomans Kingdom was vast and he possessed power on Earth at that point in time with control over Jinn and Animals, a Kingdom the likes of which no prophet before him or after him ever had.
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i am fully conversant with what the Qu'ran says about Suleiman, about the gifts bestowed on him, such as control of the elements, Djinn armies and the ability to talk to birds. However all this only supports what I stated earlier and given that the earliest mention of a Kingdom of Israel came over 400 years after Solomon's death (if we accept he existed as a united monarch) it is far more likely that his deeds were exagerated by the Semite Tribes and Peoples of Judah who had been under successive occupations by the Assyrians and Babylonians and this was picked up and expanded upon over the incipient centuries until we have the tradition you refer to.

In any case, The Kingdom of Israel was a short lived and minor power in comparison to the empires of the time. The Superpowers were the Assyrians (who were in 1000BCE the ascendent power in the region, even though it was a temporary decline of their former power) and the Neo-Hittite empires, and that is only if we consider that specific region. This doesn't consider the Chinese Zhou Dynasty which was vastly superior or the Indian Vedic period which again was vastly superior to what was happening in the Middle East. This is historically and archaeologically supported, Solomon unfortunately, currently is not.

e36Adz said:
That was an entirely different topic. You will find few muslims if any, who disagree that Soloman PBUH existed and that his Kingdom was something grand. I will try and locate a hadith which I have read which compares the rule of the Mahdi, with that of Soloman PBUT in that he will too take control of all the Earth and no one will be able to oppose him.
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The topic is the same, I was refering to your interpretation on the end of days superimposed over modern events. The histriocity of Solomon was Seperate from that.

e36Adz said:
Have you had a chance to read those books by Imran Hosein yet?
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Not yet I am afraid. I'm just finishing up my notice period then I am going to give them a read when I have more time to dedicate to it.
 
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e36Adz said:
If you are interested in studying the history of prophet Soloman PBUH from an Islamic perspective, it is probably worth getting a book on the subject. Or if you want I can provide you with some links.
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Alternatively you can read some Nostradamus or even better the horoscopes in the Daily Mail - equally as specific and able to be applied by the easily led.
 
I think this has gotten off the topic of Irans Nuclear Program and plans to thwart it. (I'm as guilty as anyone). Maybe it's time to get it back on an even keel tbh.
 
Castiel said:
I think this has gotten off the topic of Irans Nuclear Program and plans to thwart it. (I'm as guilty as anyone). Maybe it's time to get it back on an even keel tbh.
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Well that is quite simple keep the mumbo-jumbo out of every thread to do with the middle east and keep it in the thread in Speakers Corner where it was raised. But if every thread is going to degenerate to people saying this and that and one person going no no no you are all wrong some bloke said something may happen to people unknown, at an unknown date in an unknown region then I am going to point out they are speaking out of their ****. The bloke has probably never been to the middle east and is basing all of his theories on horoscopes ...
 
maustin said:
Well that is quite simple keep the mumbo-jumbo out of every thread to do with the middle east and keep it in the thread in Speakers Corner where it was raised. But if every thread is going to degenerate to people saying this and that and one person going no no no you are all wrong some bloke said something may happen to people unknown, at an unknown date in an unknown region then I am going to point out they are speaking out of their ****. The bloke has probably never been to the middle east and is basing all of his theories on horoscopes ...
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Quite, there is a time and place I agree. Athough e36adz believes what he believes which unfortunately means he overlays that belief onto current affairs, wrongly in my opinion, but not unusual among conspiracy theorists, religiously motivated or otherwise.

I feel that we should concentrate on the here and now, and I don't know whether e36adz has been to the Middle East or not, but both you and I know that while politics in the region is influenced by religion, no-one thinks that it is the fulfilment of some Islamic Prophecy, it is mostly about the usual things, Land, Power, Money and Pride.

And as you pointed out, contingencies exist for pretty much everything. Under George Bush there was a very serious military plan to oust Sharon early on in his presidency, and there was another emergency plan to invade Israel in 1967 because of US concerns of Israeli expansion. There is too much emphasis placed on this US-Israel relationship. Israel relies on the United States and considers itself an ally if not a friend, the US however generally sees Israel as a strategic asset and if that ever changes, as it threatened to do in 1967 and again under Sharon, the United States will drop Israel like a bad habit.

Netanyahu treads a very narrow path with regard the United States and he is lucky that the Jewish Lobby is currently in the ascendancy in Washington and Obama is seeking re-election, otherwise he may well be heading for a short, sharp shock.
 
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Castiel said:
Quite, there is a time and place I agree. Athough e36adz believes what he believes which unfortunately means he overlays that belief onto current affairs, wrongly in my opinion, but not unusual among conspiracy theorists, religiously motivated or otherwise.
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Yer well I blame you on this one because whilst arguing the semantics and translation of this juvenile bovine herd you are giving it a degree of credibility towards its overall source and aim :p

The presidential debate the other day actually focused for a while on the support for Israel and the point was strongly made for less support rather than more. Moreover, the point I made about the heads of Shin Bet and Mossad openly advising against overt action is significant due to their position. No Western power wants the straits closed which Iran would do. No Western power wants to militarily lose which they would do.
 
kash786 said:
War mongering Imperialists b*******s seem to be sharpening their swords, so to speak.

No one seem to give a s*** about this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15556801 - The yanks and us, just seem to keep supplying them with whatever weapons they need.

I hope they do go to Iran and I also hope, Iran wipes the floor with them.

P.S. For all the inbreeds out there who say Ahmedinijad threatened to '"Wipe Israel off the Map" - Read this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155 - Read it carefully.
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Ok . . .

The regime occupying Iran must vanish from the face of time, more so than the one in Israel.
 
maustin said:
Chances are though someone from Haliburton is tell the administration across the pond this.
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Whilst drawing up plans on who to demonise next.........they have to get their hands on those tax-dollars somehow, along with Xe,BPS, Aegis and various other private security contractors.:p
 
Castiel said:
Whilst drawing up plans on who to demonise next.........they have to get their hands on those tax-dollars somehow, along with Xe,BPS, Aegis and various other private security contractors.:p
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Yes, which is the thing that is so often overlooked they pull the strings of the outraged fundamentalist crusader wannabees all in the name of profit through politicians, media etc. People can lap it up as some religious or morale quest but at the end of the day it's all for the kerrrrchhhiiinnnng just like the last crusades. Heard it all, been there done that, got the t-shirt: limited operations solely executed from air, well now we will need some surgical special forces activity, oh dear mission mission creep need ground holding units, let's change the regime!, oh no more mission creep now need ground holding divisions, oh look at that logistics bill, oh you need someone to train the new administrations police/army may I recommend my friends in Blackwater-oops-I mean-Xe ...

I predict there may soon be maustin in gas explosion/car crash/radioactive incident/fell under train thread coming in the next few weeks.
 
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coltpython3 said:
my god theyre really pushing it to try and sway public opinion :mad: all LIES!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15643460
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What do you know that everyone else doesn't to be able to state its 'all lies'?

It's an independant report by the IAEA :confused: It's not an intelligence dossier published by the Americans. It isn't coming from Number 10.

Don't you get bored of thinking everything is one massive conspiracy theory?

There is probably little doubt the report is true. What matters is whether there should be a military response to it - my opinion is that there should NOT be.
 
If Iran are trying to get WMD's then I don't really blame them, it's us the west who have pushed them into it with the constant threats and invading their neighbours.

Lets face it nukes is the only thing that can stop western nations from our plans of world conquest, you won't see us rolling into North Korea or Pakistan to liberate them.
 
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