Dell XPS 430 or overclockers deal for gaming? (Champions Online)

Oh I had it in my head you had put a 420w PC P&C psu in that build, that was an earlier one in the thread, when I said it was superior I meant in terms of being a more appropriate power, i.e. 550w to 420w. I now see you actually had a 650w model in there, so nevermind then :)

Either spec would do great, I only included a fairly cheap and weak cooler because there aren't really many good options for s-1156 yet, I expect better ones to appear over the next few months.
 
Brilliant guys thanks v much for your help!

Two good options there as I was going to ask for an Intel equivalent! cheers

I'm really looking forward to tomorrow, is it a definate official release date for the 5850? I'm going to dig around for any specs regarding PSU requirement.

I think I'm definately going to be heading for your AMD spec Cmndr_Andi, its just a case of which one - is there a great deal of performance/future proofing between the two? I do want to overclock at some point, so I'd probably gun for the more expensive offering, what kind of long term cooling would you recommend?

Thanks both, really appreciate your help!
 
Assuming the 5850 ends up being like £100 more ontop of the 4890, whats going to give greater performance?

The £616.42 offering with a 5850 or the £72x.xx with the 4890? I'm assuming the 5850?
 
ThorpedoUK said:
Assuming the 5850 ends up being like £100 more ontop of the 4890, whats going to give greater performance?

The £616.42 offering with a 5850 or the £72x.xx with the 4890? I'm assuming the 5850?
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The 4890 and 285 trade punches, with one being better than the other at various tasks, but they are within the same performance range.

If the 5850 kicks the 285s backside as much as the link provided by Andi suggests, then the 5850 should also knock the spots off the 4890 also.
 
I'd definately go for Corsair, Be Quiet or PC & C over a coolermaster or simliar even if that wattage is lower - that's a bit of a trick because quality is more important than wattage and 550w on a good PSU will befine.
 
StevenRaith said:
The 4890 and 285 trade punches, with one being better than the other at various tasks, but they are within the same performance range.

If the 5850 kicks the 285s backside as much as the link provided by Andi suggests, then the 5850 should also knock the spots off the 4890 also.
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and judging by the drivers in that link things can only get significantly better, so what your saying is a 5850 with AMD Phenom II X3 Tri Core 720 BE 2.80GHz is still going to outstrip a 4890 2GB Vapor with AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 BE 3.20GHz??

What do you think?
 
I think it will be application dependant [some of the early reviews suggest that a single 5870 is on par with the 285, sometimes with the 295, sometimes the 275 and 4890 beat it], but as soon as games start utilising DX11 ComputeShaders and OpenCL then the gap will widen massively. Whether that will be within the next few months or over a couple of years [after all, it's taken a few years for DX10 to get a proper footing] is a matter of debate though!

If I had three hundred quid to splunge though [rough price of a 5870 by the looks of things - 320 euros] I'd be looking at 5870s seriously, and 5850s very, very seriously - current benchmarks suggest they are happily keeping the 285/295 series [same sort of price] very honest indeed.
 
ThorpedoUK said:
so what your saying is a 5850 with AMD Phenom II X3 Tri Core 720 BE 2.80GHz is still going to outstrip a 4890 2GB Vapor with AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 BE 3.20GHz??

What do you think?
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I'd say definately. There's only like a 10 % speedup for the 955 unless the game happens to see big gains with quad core which almost no games do, despite what some may tell you. A whole new generation of graphics card seems likely to make much more difference.
Don't get me wrong, I'd buy the 955 every time but gaming is not the main focus of my system (though quite important !) , I do more CG
animation.
For gameing the X3 with a better graphics card is superior to a faster CPU and weaker card.
 
That makes sense but to run DX11 in the way that it is intended I think your going to need to go Crossfire - it will be interesting to see how a maxed out DX10 game looks compared to a 65-75% maxed DX11 - i.e Crysis 2, I can imagine either of those cards struggling with that as is true to form with Crytek and blue sky gaming!

I think theres too many what ifs right now, the smart money is on waiting I suppose but if your pricing is right I will prob go for the Tri-Core and a 5870, afterall it will be cheaper to upgrade the CPU than the gfx card right?
 
More than likely - although to be honest, by the time games start to require Quad Cores as standard, chances are it'll be a couple of years down the line and it'll be time to consider a new rig that has an eight core CPU, a base of 8gb of RAM and the 6xxx series GPUs will be just around the corner :D
 
Eight cores, can you imagine what games are going to be like when they become standard and hard disks are solid state with GPU's running multi cores and 5-10GB of RAM.

I installed a RamSAN in a Dell 2950 at work (Quad Quad Core Xeon 32GB RAM and 7TB RAID5 (10K SAS drives)) you should check them out, that card cost this company £22k and you know what? it had 450GB of SLC flash storage space, it was installed to run SQL Servers tempdb on and the difference between running the database (massive R+W/IOs) on flash and SAS was enormous, we are talking days difference to run the same process, it was ridiculous.

For a laugh we put the Win 2003 Server paging file on it, set it to 32GB and logging in was like changing channel on your tv.

but seriously, £22k for 450GB!!!!! oh and it was a PCIe card, check it out if your bored:

http://www.ramsan.com/products/ramsan-20.htm

pretty cool tech - interesting life span though (6 or 12 Years (25% writes) lol
 
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Ok fellas, first off Cmndr_Andi good suggestion waiting you were bang on the money with the pricing of the 5850!

Decision time now (last question then I'll shut up!)

For maximum gaming, I have the following options based on Andi's build:

£616.42 option = AMD PHENOM II X3 TRI CORE 720 BLACK ED 2.80GHz
£752.27 option = AMD PHENOM II X4 QUAD CORE 955 BLACK ED 3.20GHz

1. £616.42 OPTION with 2x5850's running crossfire
2. £616.42 OPTION with 1x5870
3. £616.42 OPTION with 2x4870's running crossfire
4. £752.27 OPTION With 1x5850

What do we think?

Thanks v much for your help!
 
Nice - that's what I was actually thinking, that should be a decent little unit.

Thanks again for all your help mate really appreciated, I'm going to order that today. :cool:
 
Bear in mind that the next big batch of 58xxs aren't going to be in till monday [they all sold out this morning, natch - there are bits and bobs coming in but they are going to those who have pre-ordered already this morning] but if you order it up you'll at least be in the queue for the next delivery :)
 
Thats fine mate, anytime next week is good - this weekend I'm busy doing social stuff with the gf so its no big deal, weekend after would be nice though as I'd be hoping to throw Crysis and Aion (which it should eat - Aion) at it since I get paid then!

Prob pick up Rome Total War aswell, used to love that game (I know, not particularly graphically challenging lol)
 
Just wanted to thank everyone who helped me in this thread, I got my PC last friday and its fully built and sitting in my living room, fantastic piece of kit I'm really happy with it - does everything I was hoping it would do very well.

I work with servers, but first time I've actually built my own PC - gotta love the first time you switch it on, that is un-forgettable moment especially when you realise you forgot to plug the hard disk into the motherboard (it had power) doh!!! not bad "only mistake" though for first time!

Thanks again guys, much appreciated
 
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