Demand for sub £100 PC?

The hardware is not what people are getting at, it is you throwing Joe Bloggs to Linux, OO.org and the BASH command line - how do you explain to Joe Bloggs who wants the £99 but with MS Office as his mate at work "who knows all about computers" says he should have it - how is going to understand that you need a whole new OS for that, another £80 odd quid on the price - probably think you are trying to fleece him!!

Rich

but that's the whole point! i'm not "throwing" anyone at anything.

if they want a free OS and office suite I will happily install Linux and OO for them. If not, then fine.

If they want to pay extra for Windows (or have it themselves) that's cool too

I can't see what so wrong in that.
 
well thank you for your thoughts Gareth, and thank you for taking the time to post them.

I do disagree about you saying only a large company could pull off something like this off. I've done all the calculations and there is a worthwhile profit involved. I wouldn't have to order bulk, and there's nothing wrong with something being built from the ground up (in fact, that's usually the best way to do it)

I'm not on a Linux crusade (as it would seem you may be), but it's a nice alternative... and it's free. can't say fairer than that

Just because it is free doesn't mean that its good - I can say £89 for Windows that is pretty much compatible with anything and most people are comfortable with, can't say fairer than that.

Rich
 
but that's the whole point! i'm not "throwing" anyone at anything.

if they want a free OS and office suite I will happily install Linux and OO for them. If not, then fine.

If they want to pay extra for Windows (or have it themselves) that's cool too

I can't see what so wrong in that.

Would you advertise the machines stating they were linux or blank systems?

Rich
 
Would you advertise the machines stating they were linux or blank systems?

Rich

i'd advertise them as a £99 PC with *optional* free OS (Linux) installation

the customer would have full control over what was installed on the system

it would be recommened they have the free OS and office suite though
 
i'd advertise them as a £99 PC with *optional* free OS (Linux) installation

the customer would have full control over what was installed on the system

it would be recommened they have the free OS and office suite though

Too complicated.

Too me and you that makes sense, do you think that many people buying a computer for there kids, or someone who really has a clue about PCs understands what Linux is, why its optional, and probably would think he could buy the PC without the optional Linux and still run it?

Rich
 
Too complicated.

Too me and you that makes sense, do you think that many people buying a computer for there kids, or someone who really has a clue about PCs understands what Linux is, why its optional, and probably would think he could buy the PC without the optional Linux and still run it?

Rich

i think if someone sees a PC that will work out the box for £99 then there's nothing complicated about it.

when they're checking out there would be a short message saying something like "Linux is a free form of operating system and comes installed at no extra charge. we recommend this option, however if you already have a copy of Windows then you may receive the computer blank"

what's complicated in that?
 
i think if someone sees a PC that will work out the box for £99 then there's nothing complicated about it.

when they're checking out there would be a short message saying something like "Linux is a free form of operating system and comes installed at no extra charge. we recommend this option, however if you already have a copy of Windows then you may receive the computer blank"

what's complicated in that?


True it isnt complicated, but you should not be seeking to sell to people who are beginners...

You shoudl simply advertise the spec and software on a as-is basis, and help matters by stating basic uses like a file server or download box. People who like this idea will look at your advert with interest esp. when its only £99.

I would be interested in a £99 for basic tasks for me etc, and for my mum to surf etc...

But you cannot target this at your stated audience, let it run with what you think would be its uses and see what you get back.

I would assume it would be people who know what they are looking at etc.
 
i think if someone sees a PC that will work out the box for £99 then there's nothing complicated about it.

when they're checking out there would be a short message saying something like "Linux is a free form of operating system and comes installed at no extra charge. we recommend this option, however if you already have a copy of Windows then you may receive the computer blank"

what's complicated in that?

They'll switch it on and when they can't find internet explorer they'll phone you and tell you the pc isn't working.
 
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i think if someone sees a PC that will work out the box for £99 then there's nothing complicated about it.

when they're checking out there would be a short message saying something like "Linux is a free form of operating system and comes installed at no extra charge. we recommend this option, however if you already have a copy of Windows then you may receive the computer blank"

what's complicated in that?

Because to a layman that seems a lot to go through to get a PC.

Just trying to explain to a customer that all the software they had won't work on there new linux based PC - thats complicated.

But yes I know you are selling windows based machines also - but then it isn't a £99 machine anymore - so that £99 "bargain" is no longer a bargain as you have to add more costs - i'd feel pretty conned walking into a shop and being told that the product really wasn't £99 - and if I hear you say Windows 98 again, i'll scream - i'm pretty certain that it is not even support properly by MS anymore.

Rich
 
But you cannot target this at your stated audience, let it run with what you think would be its uses and see what you get back.

i haven't really stated 1 specific audience. earlier in the thread I gave 3 broad range examples of people who could in theory use this system

also note that all sales will be online. so you up the intelligence level slightly (people have to know how to checkout with PayPal etc)
 
They'll switch it on and when they can't find internet explorer they'll phone you and tell you the pc isn't working.

well it's nice you assume everyone is a dumb as plank of wood

I have slightly more faith in our fellow country men than that

I also have experience to know people aren't so demanding when they've paid £99 for a PC as oppose to £999
 
Because to a layman that seems a lot to go through to get a PC.

Just trying to explain to a customer that all the software they had won't work on there new linux based PC - thats complicated.

you provide them with a sheet of all the basic tasks, and how they would be done on Linux

people won't be wanting (or expecting) to use these systems for everything. i think it will be more of a second "mess around" type PC

But yes I know you are selling windows based machines also - but then it isn't a £99 machine anymore - so that £99 "bargain" is no longer a bargain as you have to add more costs - i'd feel pretty conned walking into a shop and being told that the product really wasn't £99 - and if I hear you say Windows 98 again, i'll scream - i'm pretty certain that it is not even support properly by MS anymore.

there's no con. why are you purposfully trying to display things in the worst possible way?

the PC is £99. for that you get a fully working base unit with Linux pre-installed (totally optional). you can also upgrade the system to meet your requirements.

Yes the £99 is an attracting gimmicky sort of thing. so what. 100s of companies do that
 
i haven't really stated 1 specific audience. earlier in the thread I gave 3 broad range examples of people who could in theory use this system

also note that all sales will be online. so you up the intelligence level slightly (people have to know how to checkout with PayPal etc)

dude you've half got the right idea. A £99 PC + Monitor with windows and ms word would fly off the shelfs at somewhere like asda. But without windows and word you'r just selling a base unit though at an attentioin grabbing price.
 
well it's nice you assume everyone is a dumb as plank of wood

I have slightly more faith in our fellow country men than that

I also have experience to know people aren't so demanding when they've paid £99 for a PC as oppose to £999

You'd be surprised mate - I worked in Currys for 3 years and got some RETARDED questions on PCs, and people expecting everything.

you are also thinking very subjectivly with your money too - £99 to you is cheap as chips for a PC.

For one of you customers it might be a lot.

Rich
 
and if I hear you say Windows 98 again, i'll scream - i'm pretty certain that it is not even support properly by MS anymore.

not my fault millions of people still use it.

and you're forgetting a large % already have access to XP (albeit through nefarious means)
 
You'd be surprised mate - I worked in Currys for 3 years and got some RETARDED questions on PCs, and people expecting everything.

I use to sell PCs online a few years back, and yes you got idiots and people who knew absolutely nothing. but in fact most of them were nice and didn't expect the world. Maybe people act differently in real life? especially in places like Currys or Comet.

you are also thinking very subjectivly with your money too - £99 to you is cheap as chips for a PC.

For one of you customers it might be a lot.

how is £99 cheap for a PC just to me? it's cheap for a PC to EVERYONE! why? because no one else is selling a brand new PC for £99

that's the whole bloody point! :p
 
I use to sell PCs online a few years back, and yes you got idiots and people who knew absolutely nothing. but in fact most of them were nice and didn't expect the world. Maybe people act differently in real life? especially in places like Currys or Comet.



how is £99 cheap for a PC just to me? it's cheap for a PC to EVERYONE! why? because no one else is selling a brand new PC for £99

that's the whole bloody point! :p

I had people bringing a PC back after 3 months as it was a "bit slow" and expected a swap over for a new one - got that a fair few times.

Final line really from me:

I don't think it would work without Windows on it (which would then make it more than £99, and you still don't get a screen / KB / Mouse).

Rich
 
I had people bringing a PC back after 3 months as it was a "bit slow" and expected a swap over for a new one - got that a fair few times.

that's because people think they can take the mickey out of places like Currys or Comet. they think because they are large corporations they have millions to spare

they're basically cheap skates.

luckily with selling online you are some what more protected from that sort of ****
 
There is certainly a market for this abroad, as One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) - and Intel - have demonstrated. The OLPC laptop is, incidentally, based on a stipped down and heavily customised Linux installation.

In the UK, there may well be a market for a similar system to the OLPC one - that is, Linux-based. Indeed, the OLPC system itself may well be suitable for primary school age. Linux is also useful for higher education courses (even when I was in HE 15 years ago we had plenty of Unix machines, and I'm sure these would now be Linux). However, for a school environment, a monitor/keyboard/mouse is not an optional extra.

For a parent wanting to get 'little johnny' a PC, they should be getting them what they use at school. No sense having one system at home and a completely different one at school. Chances are that'll be Windows right now, as that's what the vast majority of schools use, and also what is provided by the various laptop schemes.

For 'average joe consumer', you have a problem. Most of them will have used Windows PCs at work and will when they get a PC for home, they'll want Windows too. OpenOffice is a non-starter as well. I actually tried that with my parents, and though they could use it, they much preferred Works. Works requires Windows, which blows your Linux PC out of the water. These, too, will want a monitor/keyboard/mouse.

There is a market for a headless Linux box. That market is dedicated servers/NAS boxes, but this segment is already covered by numerous companies, both at the low- and high-end. This is also not a big market outside the business sector, and I doubt they'd be interested in £99 PCs with support as an optional extra.

Do some market research (I recognise you're trying here, but given the responses, I'd suggest this forum is definitely not your target audience), draw up a business plan, and if you can justify it, then do it. It's your money after all. If you can prove us all wrong, then by all means come back and tell us. :)
 
thanks Berserker for your big input! i like long posts!

i can't understand why everyone is focusing so hard on the software side of things though... reality is (and i'm not condoning this) most people can get their hands on (or already have) a pirated verision of Windows.

the fact this PC comes with Linux (as an option) really isn't a big deal. some people will want it, some will not, some will get it with Linux on just to try (for fun), others will format and put XP on, others will happily pay the extra for a license from me

i mean... it's all about choice... that's the whole point

it's £99... it works out the box (if you want it too)... it can be upgraded...

what more can be expected for £99?

it's like the whole thing has been sidetracked to some massive MSFT Vs. Linux battle, when in fact all i'm doing is giving the customer choice. something many large PC manufacturers do not
 
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