Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

[StriderX]

This trial is a lose-lose-lose no matter what happens, truly impressive how the US has gotten to this point.

 

[FoxEye]

This trial is a lose-lose-lose no matter what happens, truly impressive how the US has gotten to this point.

I think we're doing our best to follow in their footsteps, tho. No guns here, but the bipolar and partisan politics is the same. Seems to be a symptom of FPTP.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

"Two other men"? I said most people this technique is used on do not die and you respond with "two other men"?

Are you working from the assumption that a grand total of 5 people have had this technique used on them?

It's in the police manual it states to only use it in life and death situations because of how dangerous it is. The prosecution will bring forward police witnesses from the police training accademies and individual officers alongside experts to talk about how dangerous and inappropriate the neck compression was for a period of 9 minutes.

 

[hurfdurf]

It's in the police manual it states to only use it in life and death situations because of how dangerous it is. The prosecution will bring forward police witnesses from the police training accademies and individual officers alongside experts to talk about how dangerous and inappropriate the neck compression was for a period of 9 minutes.

I do not believe you, for we had some regular GD tier posters itt talking about how a knee to the neck wasn't dangerous?!

 

[kindai]

It's in the police manual it states to only use it in life and death situations because of how dangerous it is. The prosecution will bring forward police witnesses from the police training accademies and individual officers alongside experts to talk about how dangerous and inappropriate the neck compression was for a period of 9 minutes.

Link to manual.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Link to manual.

A report on the manual is the best I can do. But expect this to be brought up during the trial

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/knee-neck-george-floyd-death.html

 

[kindai]

A report on the manual is the best I can do. But expect this to be brought up during the trial

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/knee-neck-george-floyd-death.html

Lol.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Lol.

Good input. Feel free to locate the manual to refute the article.

 

[kindai]

Good input. Feel free to locate the manual to refute the article.

Youre the one linking an article paraphrasing a manual. Given your obvious anti-police zealotry you are the one who needs to do the linking.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Youre the one linking an article paraphrasing a manual. Given your obvious anti-police zealotry you are the one who needs to do the linking.

I've linked a source, you gave it no credance because of your bias despite having no knowledge about the subject. You've disputed an article without a clue about what you're talking about. I'll leave you to wallow in your own ignorance

 

[kindai]

I've linked a source, you gave it no credance because of your bias despite having no knowledge about the subject. You've disputed an article without a clue about what you're talking about. I'll leave you to wallow in your own ignorance

I asked for a link to the manual, you couldn't do it, therefore how can you claim as per your post:

It's in the police manual it states to only use it in life and death situations because of how dangerous it is.

So given you haven't seen the manual and your reliance on making this claim comes from a dubious article, I think you need to check your attitude.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

I asked for a link to the manual, you couldn't do it, therefore how can you claim as per your post:

So given you haven't seen the manual and your reliance on making this claim comes from a dubious article, I think you need to check your attitude.

It's an article about the manual from a reliable news source. I take it at word value. If you disagree with the evidence, disaprove it. You can't because you are both lazy and ignorant.

Plenty of police officers have come out and talked about how disgusting Chauvin's actions were. According to your backward logic they probably have 'anti-police zealotry'

 

[Minusorange]

So given you haven't seen the manual and your reliance on making this claim comes from a dubious article, I think you need to check your attitude.

They update the manual on the Minnesota PD Website

Prohibition on Neck Restraints and Choke Holds
Neck Restraints and choke holds are prohibited. Instructors are prohibited from teaching the use of neck restraints or choke holds.
MN Statute section 609.06 Subd. 3 (b) defines a choke hold “as a method by which a person applies sufficient pressure to a person to make breathing difficult or impossible, and includes but is not limited to any pressure to the neck, throat, or windpipe that may prevent or hinder breathing, or reduce intake of air. Choke hold also means applying pressure to a person's neck on either side of the windpipe, but not to the windpipe itself, to stop the flow of blood to the brain via the carotid arteries.”

But you can find the old version in the court documents

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov...ses/27-CR-20-12951-TKL/Exhibit67807072020.pdf

Neck Restraint 25 Minutes
o Compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to
the trachea or airway 09min: ofthe neck)
c Non-Deadly Force Option
o Two Applications - Conscious & Unconscious
Neck Brae; Principle
l. Head - Direct pressure is placed on the back of the SUB’s head with any part of your body
2. Neck - The inside forearm & bicep of the ofcers encircling arm applies pressure to the sides of the
SUB's neck.
3. Airway - The SUB’s trachea 8a airway are protected in the crook of the OFF’s elbow.
9
001160
27-CR-20-12951 Filed in District Court
State of Minnesota
7/7/2020 11:00 AM
Mechanics of a Neck Restraint
I Secure the Neck Brace Principle
o Stabilization of the head & neck
o Protection of the Trachea & Airway (an! aflkroat)
Break the SUB‘S balance to the rear
Compress veins. arteries, nerves & muscles ofthc neck
SUB resisting produces the Valsalva Maneuver (straining against a cfosedgloztis)
Drills: partner up, demonstrate by the numbers, single arm, switch arm, gure four, short arm, switch partners,
defense to neck restraint, circle up with partners, rotate outer partner for 10 reps

It doesn't state anything about life or death what it says on one slide is

Concious neck restraint - subject who is actively resisting (like George was)

Unconcious neck restraint - active aggression, life saving purposes, active resistance in order to gain control of the subject and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective (like it was with George)

Further down it says

Test of Proportionaligg
o Neck Restraints (conscious or unconscious applications) shall only be used against subjects when lower force
Options either:
- Have failed,
— Will likely fail. or
- Are too dangerous to attempt
- Neck Restraints shall not be used against persons who are only displaying Passive Resistance as defined by
policy. Test of Proportionalig
° If unconsciousness occurred. request EMS immediately by radio
a Loosen clothing dcjewelry around the SUB's neck area
*- Check airway & breathing m start CPR if needed
After a Neck Restraint has been applied, you shall keep them under close observation until they are released to
medical or other law enforcement personnel.

I think where they ****** up was the check airway & breathing and start CPR if needed

 

[kindai]

I take it at word value

Interesting point. Do you take the coroners report at word value also?

They update the manual on the Minnesota PD Website



But you can find the old version in the court documents

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov...ses/27-CR-20-12951-TKL/Exhibit67807072020.pdf



It doesn't state anything about life or death what it says on one slide is

Concious neck restraint - subject who is actively resisting (like George was)

Unconcious neck restraint - active aggression, life saving purposes, active resistance in order to gain control of the subject and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective (like it was with George)

Further down it says



I think where they ****** up was the check airway & breathing and start CPR if needed

Thanks, but I already had this link and was aware of the content, was just working my way upto pointing out what an absolute spanner Andrew was being (in general in this thread) as its obvious he made his mind up the officer is guilty when the evidence may actually quite comfortably show otherwise.

 

[hurfdurf]

Unconcious neck restraint - active aggression, life saving purposes, active resistance in order to gain control of the subject and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective (like it was with George)

You're telling me 3 grown men couldn't subdue and control a handcuffed male without 2 of them standing by as one knelt on his neck and that lesser options were not fully available to subdue him that were far less risky? lol

 

[Minusorange]

Thanks, but I already had this link and was aware of the content, was just working my way upto pointing out what an absolute spanner Andrew was being (in general in this thread) as its obvious he made his mind up the officer is guilty when the evidence may actually quite comfortably show otherwise.

I'm not sure what the evidence says, that part about CPR they failed to do it so maybe that's where the case hinges also there's the part that says "Neck Restraints shall not be used against persons who are only displaying Passive Resistance as defined by
policy" I guess it will depend on whether the jury believe George was resisting arrest passively or actively but there's a whole lot more to the case than simply kneeling on neck = death which those who have made their minds up fail to see

You're telling me 3 grown men couldn't subdue and control a handcuffed male without 2 of them standing by as one knelt on his neck and that lesser options were not fully available to subdue him that were far less risky? lol

Have you seen the size of him ? He's not a scrawny basement dwelling nerd, I mean it's obvious they had a difficult time the fact they couldn't get him into the car

 

[Malevolence]

Pity they can't call the women he threatened to kill and had to leave the state for.

Would that be the pregnant woman that, during an home invasion robbery, he held a pistol to her belly and threatened to shoot her unborn child?

 

[deuse]

Whats that got to do with him dying at the hands (sorry knee) of a cop exactly?

If you can't read what I quoted.
I feel sorry for you.

 

[hurfdurf]

Have you seen the size of him ? He's not a scrawny basement dwelling nerd, I mean it's obvious they had a difficult time the fact they couldn't get him into the car

If it was 2 on 1, without handcuffs, sure, I get that. But it was 3 on 1, and he was in handcuffs...

In BJJ I will often go knee on belly, and I totally understand using a knee as a leverage point or pressure tool to gain a position, but to then leave it there once a dominant position is secured and the subject is handcuffed? for 9 minutes?! Utterly unnecessary and anyone who has ever done any form of positional grappling, never mind actual combat, would say the same thing.

 

[deuse]

This trial is a lose-lose-lose no matter what happens, truly impressive how the US has gotten to this point.

No. Just Minneapolis.
Which is a total hell hole. Wipe your feet on the way out kind of place.

"Violent crimes soared by 21% in Minneapolis last year,
The city recorded 5,422 violent crime incidents, including homicides, rapes, robberies and aggravated assaults, according to preliminary year-end Minneapolis police statistics"

105 police officers have now left and 155+ are on leave.