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diagnose the problem with my X1900XT-longish

Soldato
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bought an x1900xt 256mb card from overclockers last year.

fine, was a massive upgrade from my x300 intergrated, and played everything i wanted to.

however before long it bagan to play up (after a few weeks of owning it)
during games (and only during games) occasionally red squares would appear all over the screen, running diagonally across the screen, i'd drop to desk top, maximise the game and all would be fine. this first began on battlefield 2.

this continued to occur, randomly for a few months, until i bought BF2142, where, even at the same settings as BF2 ((med-high) the settings the game reckoned my card would run it at) it would occur much more frequently (which combined with the all to frequent CTD's, and failed attempts at loading titan mode put me off the game eventually) i decided: fine, mst just be me trying to run it on too-high settings, so i lowered those, and hey presto, it continued.
i then thought my drivers could be 'out of date' and downloaded the latest drivers from ATi, which did not solve the problem.

at this point the errors were still not frequent enough for me to be that bothered and so it continued.

recently downloaded steam (2/3 months ago), as i wanted to give counter strike and HL2 a go, this was when the errors re-surfaced (had not be doing much gaming, just surfing/music). red squares, all down the screen again, drop to desktop/maximise the game, works fine, but now a lot more frequent than before.

a week ago i built an almost completely (all bar the GFX card) new computer, nothing bar the 1900 is from my old PC, yet the problems continued.

i have also just bought a few new games:
medieval II total war
CoD2
GRAW 2
company of heros
and downloaded insurgency and the world in conflict beta

these graphical errors persist in every single game i have got recently, even at below recommended settings for the graphics card. world in conflict being the worst (yes, i have the latest drivers still)

this time however, world in conflict game me some information, just before this happens it pops up a small message on the left saying vram overload, and then a number, from about 1 to 6.

is this telling my my problem? the Vram is being overloaded/faulty?

whats your impressions?

p.s. i would have RMA'd it already, but the problem is totally spontanous, and can happen anything from 10 minutes into a game to 3 hours, or, in some cases not at all, and i wouldn't want to pay to send it to OcUK (or Connect3D) just for them to run a ten minute test, find no problems, and send it back to me, at my cost for the problem to then re-occur.

thanks for your time to read and reply :(

edit:
old spec:
ATi sapphire pure element skt 939 mobo
1GB kingston DDR1 valure RAM
antec 430w PSU (from the sonata II...maybe 450w) which later became a hiper 430w type-r

current spec:
ASUS P5W DH Duluxe wifi
C2D E4300 (overclocked to 2.8ghz on stock voltage) -stable in orthos for 8 hours
2GB Crucial DDR2 RAM
corsair HX 520w PSU
 
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Gerard said:
Sounds like the cores overheating or the rams borked. Tried running ati tool artifact scanner on it?

no...hadnt heard about it, i'll give it a go shortly

is it on the ATi/AMD website?

edit: looks like thats my problem, just ran it and got errors within 5 minutes from idle to load :(

and now my screens got little blue/red squares/pixels across it :rolleyes:

edit2: just ran it again, currently at 25 minutes, but no errors..see what i mean about random?
 
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Pro's can be known to run hot on the VRM's (Voltage Regulator modules).. Try aiming a fan at them and see if it improves your stability.

Or just RMA it as mentioned.

Matthew
 
Scougar said:
Pro's can be known to run hot on the VRM's (Voltage Regulator modules).. Try aiming a fan at them and see if it improves your stability.

Or just RMA it as mentioned.

Matthew

i think i will try an RMA, its stupid to think that the end user should have to add extra fans to something because a company didnt add adequate cooling. and this card has been in four entirely different cases, the one it's in now being the best cooling wise (2x120mm front fans, which are pointed straight at it)
 
bringerofdecay said:
i think i will try an RMA, its stupid to think that the end user should have to add extra fans to something because a company didnt add adequate cooling. and this card has been in four entirely different cases, the one it's in now being the best cooling wise (2x120mm front fans, which are pointed straight at it)

I entirely agree, as all you do is pee off the customer. However, I think the problem is mainly that the reference design does not include any VRM heatsinks so manufactures just went with the ref design, and pumped out cards. They then have a huge number of cards to flog with a problem. Do they recall or hope that number of RMA's etc isn't 'that' high.

Good luck with your RMA :) I always look at additional cooling as I normally consider the cooling solution to be only just 'adequate'. For example, I run my 6800LE fan at 25% which I can't hear now, because I have strapped a 92mm SILENT fan to it, it allowed me to get another 50mhz clock and another 50mhz on the memory all at 15 degrees cooler (prolonging life of the card), and prolonging my sanity with a quieter system. (And the sanity of my wife who hates noisy PC's).

But as you say.. HAVING to include extra cooling to make a card just 'work' is totally unexceptable.

Matthew
 
bringerofdecay said:
no...hadnt heard about it, i'll give it a go shortly

is it on the ATi/AMD website?

edit: looks like thats my problem, just ran it and got errors within 5 minutes from idle to load :(

and now my screens got little blue/red squares/pixels across it :rolleyes:

edit2: just ran it again, currently at 25 minutes, but no errors..see what i mean about random?
ATI Tool should display the GPU temp in the task bar, was it getting really toasty during the artifact scan?
 
Scougar said:
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Matthew

yes, exactly, and i havn't even attempted to overclock it, it should have been totally fine at stock, with stock heatsink/fan, its ridiculous to think they would even contemplate allowing otherwise.

i certainly will NOT be buying ATi again, my first experience at a real graphics card (had used intergrated till then) and it has been aweful

El Jimben said:
ATI Tool should display the GPU temp in the task bar, was it getting really toasty during the artifact scan?

yes, into the 80's, and i have only just cleaned all the dust out (as said i changed system last week)

edit: its been getting progressivley hotter over time, ie when i first bought it its idle/load were considerably lower than they are now, even outside the case
 
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hmm, and you say its just started doing this all of a sudden? was it straight after you changed system or a while after? are you using an after market cooler? (was lazy and didnt read :()

my temps got outrageous when i had a zalman fatility on there. but with the stock cooler and even in my shuttle it has never gone above 72.

edit: did eventually bother to read. sounds stupid but if it is the voltage regulators you couldnt have accidently nudged it loosening it could you?
 
Pulse said:
hmm, and you say its just started doing this all of a sudden? was it straight after you changed system or a while after? are you using an after market cooler? (was lazy and didnt read :()

my temps got outrageous when i had a zalman fatility on there. but with the stock cooler and even in my shuttle it has never gone above 72.

edit: did eventually bother to read. sounds stupid but if it is the voltage regulators you couldnt have accidently nudged it loosening it could you?

it began dooing it a few weeks after i bought it nearly a year ago, it has increased as of late.

not an aftermarket cooler, it's the stock, which has also been kind of mentioned

and no, i havn't 'nudged' it, its possibly the part i've been most careful with, as it's the most expensive part in my PC until tomorrow
 
hmm dno then, wierd.

mine has been pretty much constant since i bought it and i got mine second hand, althought it was in perfect condition (still is :p )

oh well, dont loose sleep over it, you're getting a much better card in there tomorrow.
 
Pulse said:
hmm dno then, wierd.

mine has been pretty much constant since i bought it and i got mine second hand, althought it was in perfect condition (still is :p )

oh well, dont loose sleep over it, you're getting a much better card in there tomorrow.

i'm not losing sleep ^^ its just gotten to the point where it is quite bad/annoying :p and wondered whether it was me trying to push it to hard, or if it was a genuine problem, and if, in that case i would get an RMA :D
 
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