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Did Intel Make A Big Mistake With sandy Bridge?

setter said:
Yep, i remember the hype about how well they would supposedly clock on air. Tbh ive not seen that many hitting 5ghz for 24/7 use on reasonable voltage. Even on custom watercooling you will still be temp limited as water makes virtually zero difference over good air cooling on hw.
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I second this quote. I tested a 4670k, 4770k, 4690k and 4790k with a Corsair H100i, Noctua D14 and XSPC Raystorm with D5 and 600mm of rad.

The Corsair H100i had the highest temps, but the Noctua D14 and custom loop only had a few degrees between them.

I did found that the DC CPU's did have better temps than the original HW CPU's.

However, the custom loop did improve over the D14 with the 4770k and 4790k when delidded.
 
I bought an i5 2500K back when SandyBridge was released, overclocked it to 4.7GHz immediately, and absolutely nothing that has been released since offers a performance boost which seems worthwhile at all. If I got an IvyBridge, it might only overclock to 4.4GHz and perform identically to the SandyBridge. If I got a Haswell, I would have to replace my motherboard as well, and I would only get marginal performance gains after overclocking.

I just replaced my 2500K with a 2700K for a total outlay after buying and selling of about £20, and this 2700K will last me until Skylake or beyond. I grabbed the 2700K for the "future proofing" of having 8 threads. I certainly didn't need it.
 
Intel will only get back to making big leap's and releasing newer tech faster when amd get back to being an actual threat.

But now like other's i am waiting to see if skylake will be a nice big step up in tech.....
 
Intel aren't likely to need to make any big IPC improvements certainly with regards to gaming performance.
Consoles will drive games to use more threads. Consoles have 8.
The problem for us, is that the APU's in the current consoles have jaguar cores which are actually pretty weak compared to AMD's desktop chips. This more than anything will push games developer to use more threads as single core performance is low. When this translates to the pc gamers that means intel know's it has IPC performance in the bag and doesn't need to improve that as there is no need/competition, so only efficiency is the big thing that intel needs to focus on so that it's chips get into tablets and phones.
 
Andy7 said:
We all know that the Sandy Bridge chips were amazing when it came to overclocking. Some chips would hit 5Ghz on air.

Then Intel released Ivy Bridge and Haswell. Both were rather lame and disappointing as you didn't get much of a performance increase at stock and both would only overclock to around 4.2 to 4.4ghz at most.
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rubbish mine does 5.1 on air easily........ it will only crash if i use Prime....but back it off to 4.5 to 4.7 and it's in cruise control all day long, it's easily as good as the i5 2500 :cool:......43 to 45 degrees gaming......and about 85 degrees at 5.1

it's delidded and lapped to a mirror finish the other side, with megahalems also lapped and that's about it...... now if i can do it then so can you guys.
 
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Mal X said:
rubbish mine does 5.1 on air easily........ it will only crash if i use Prime....back it off to 4.5 to 4.7 and it's in cruise control, it's easily as good as the i5 2500 :cool:
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It isn't rubbish, it sounds like you just got incredibly lucky with your CPU. It is well known that on average Ivybridge CPU's would not overclock as well as Sandybridge CPU's, usually because of temperature limitations due to the rubbish paste used under the lid. Haswell was more of the same sort of thing.

I have built 4 Sandybridge rigs (3x 2500K and 1x 2700K) and the 2500K's got to 4.6GHz, 4.7GHz and 4.8GHz with comfortble volts and temperatures. The 2700K was an epic chip and would do 4.5GHz with under 1.3v and 5GHz with 1.4v. The 2700K and at least one of the 2500K's would get to the desktop at 5.4GHz as well.

I have also built 5 Ivybridge rigs (5x 3570K) and 4 out of 5 topped out at 4.4GHz with quite toasty temperatures, and one was rubbish and refused to budge past 4.2GHz. As for desktop boots, I didn't try very hard, but with one of the 3570K's, I couldn't even get it to boot at 4.8GHz with suicide volts. It was having none of it.

All of these rigs had similarish cooling. (3x H60 V2's, 2x NH-D14's, 2x Kuhler 620, 1x Kuhler 920, 1x H100)
 
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no i didn't get lucky..... i spent hours working on the cpu and cooler to drop the temperatures, because mine would have been a bad clocker too !!!!

i.e if you add 30 degrees to what it is at 5.1 then it's FAIL FAIL FAIL........i had V= 1.5 which is way too high as you know, i wouldn't mind trying again at 1.3 but i expect it'll still crash in Prime ! but it was at 5.1 all day long so that to me is a genuine result
 
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Acme said:
Ah yes, I see you de-lidded and lapped etc. You can hardly count that, hardly anyone is going to do what you did. :p
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ha ha......... ;)

but saying that the cpu is pretty strong, but it helps if you're good working with your hands, because you do need to be a bit of a model making geek already, i'm always making stuff
 
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even My engineering sample 3570k was topped out at 5ghz superpi stable using rather silly volts, would boot windows around 5.2ghz. 24/7 stable ran 4.8ghz. I killed that with too much IMC voltage though
 
ALXAndy said:
HSA is for APUs. And it's for APUs so that you can game on a cheap one.

AMD's entire philosophy for years now has been cheap gaming CPUs/APUs/Modules whatever you want to call it.

That's why they designed Mantle, that's why they're trying to use the console HSA on a PC.

The way things are going you could quite probably see AMD pull out of the CPU market all together, once they get their APUs where they want them to be.

They can't compete with Intel, they won't compete with Intel. They do not have the money in place to do so.

Honestly, after all of these years it really does make me LOL when I hear the sighs because AMD have released a new CPU and it doesn't touch the Intels.

It's funny just how many people hate AMD, but then get all disappointed when they release a CPU that isn't as fast as Haswell. LOL.
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I read that ^ and thought of this:
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If AMD can hang in there until 2020 I think the new materials revolution may even the playing field again. We might even see Via, IBM, MIPS etc making desktop CPUs.
 
So as it is now for a gamer a good 2600k - 2700k is still future proof. I had the chance to pick one really cheap but i didnt bother because i said i would go for Hasswell-e, then that came and was meh.
 
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