Digital interconnects - all the same?

[Reality Bites]

this is boring. I've never thrown accousatoins at anyone. The only thing i've said all along is that the differences in PQ and SQ of AV kit is subjective. I also believe that the make up of a setup including the cables, hardware etc etc has an effect on the quality of the outcome. It's ok people saying it's all the same because HD is 0's and 1's but the way these 0's and 1's are read and processed will affect the outcome. As for analogue, it has been stated in this thread that digital interconnects work in the same way.....how can they when they are effectively 2 analogue cables working together.

I've got more important things to do in life than trawl back through old threads and make quotes but you can't deny that the only 'proof' frokm those who believe that the same PQ and SQ is produced from hardware only ever quote the views of other forum members or of internet sites produced by someone in their bedroom.

I'd still be interested in how the manufacturers and press would respond to the statements posted on threads like this. You're basically saying that all their digital hardware is the same and that anyone who spends more than 50p a metre on cable needs their head seeing to.

This is why i've said why do we bother having threads on which player will be best and which will give better PQ/SQ when they are all the same?!

All you do is shout 'proove it' all the time. What proof is there when it's all subjective?!!

Going to leave it there because this is like a never ending story which is getting boring.

 

[oli collett]

you found yet another old internet site made by some guy in his bedroom who has posted subjective comments on a few things. Struggle to see how this is an arguement against world press.

Bored of this argument yet again. Almost pointless having this section of the forum. Just need a sticky to say if you're looking for cable, hardware or anything else AV just get the cheapest

I guess by yet another, you are probably referring to my previous posts quoting the likes of Peter Aczel, who has written numerous published papers on audio who had other "bedroom guys" like Prof. Floyd Toole writing for him? It's a shame you don't actually look into what these people are saying, because some brief research will show that these people have far more qualifications to make claims about audio than the whole of WHF magazine put together.

I never offered that link as some form of proof for what i was saying, and i quite clearly said there was a lot of conjecture in there, but some of the points are relevant - you are just choosing to ignore them.

 

[oli collett]

this is boring. I've never thrown accousatoins at anyone. The only thing i've said all along is that the differences in PQ and SQ of AV kit is subjective. I also believe that the make up of a setup including the cables, hardware etc etc has an effect on the quality of the outcome. It's ok people saying it's all the same because HD is 0's and 1's but the way these 0's and 1's are read and processed will affect the outcome. As for analogue, it has been stated in this thread that digital interconnects work in the same way.....how can they when they are effectively 2 analogue cables working together.

I've got more important things to do in life than trawl back through old threads and make quotes but you can't deny that the only 'proof' frokm those who believe that the same PQ and SQ is produced from hardware only ever quote the views of other forum members or of internet sites produced by someone in their bedroom.

I'd still be interested in how the manufacturers and press would respond to the statements posted on threads like this. You're basically saying that all their digital hardware is the same and that anyone who spends more than 50p a metre on cable needs their head seeing to.

This is why i've said why do we bother having threads on which player will be best and which will give better PQ/SQ when they are all the same?!

All you do is shout 'proove it' all the time. What proof is there when it's all subjective?!!

Going to leave it there because this is like a never ending story which is getting boring.

Why don't you answer my point about A/B/X testing? How on earth is that subjective? Asking people to differentiate between two different products in a controlled manner is not subjective, that's irrefutable fact. I am quite happy to discuss this with manufacturers, if they have some A/B/X testing data (Which i would have thought would be sensible given that it is the only sensible objective test to do on audio/visual equipment) I would be happy to see it.

You seem to keep drawing incorrect conclusions from what I am saying here. Arguing over what product is better is subjective - proving that 2 products are different however can be done in an objective manner.

 

[james.miller]

this is boring. I've never thrown accousatoins at anyone.

who said that?

amongst many others you are one of them!

sure, ok then.

I've got more important things to do in life than trawl back through old threads and make quotes but you can't deny that the only 'proof' frokm those who believe that the same PQ and SQ is produced from hardware only ever quote the views of other forum members or of internet sites produced by someone in their bedroom.

you referenced that old thread, not me - dont bring it up if you dont want to talk about it? any measurable difference (it is not subjective at all) can be proved. if it isnt measurable, there is no difference. You have been told that time and time again. now stop making excuses and prove what youve been saying.

I'd still be interested in how the manufacturers and press would respond to the statements posted on threads like this. You're basically saying that all their digital hardware is the same and that anyone who spends more than 50p a metre on cable needs their head seeing to.

no i think probably £3/metre or so is comfy, if its a for digital use. That budget of course allowing for a decent build quality and termination. You are pulling quotes out of your backside.

 

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Oli and james, you lads seem to have this one covered, I don't have much else to add..

On another note more fisual cables arrived, the x3 phono pairs work great from my XE-1 analogue outs, and the digital optical cables are great for £3.99