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Hello.

Two monitors are connected to the two DVI connectors on the graphics card. The motherboard also has onboard graphics, which is set to 'Auto'. The monitors automatically use the graphics card for video.

If I disconnect both monitors from the graphics card and leave the onboard option to 'Auto' (and connect one of the monitors to the onboard DVI graphics connector) , the monitor does not come on at all and goes on stand-by.

If I want to try the onboard graphics, do I need to to change the option from 'Auto' to onboard? If yes, and the monitor still does not come on, if I connect the monitors to the graphics card again, will they work again automatically even though BIOS has now been changed to use onboard graphics or will my computer be stuck without video with no way to change the setting back to 'Auto' as there is no display?

Thank you.
 
Most modern motherboards don't have onboard graphics it is on the CPU and some CPU's don't have an iGPU function eg amd 7400f doesnt have onboard graphics but the 7400 does!

If your mobo doesnt have onboard and the cpu doesn't have an iGPU then the display outputs on the motherboard simply won't work.

Assuming you have a CPU with an iGPU ( or an old mobo that really does have on board graphics) then Auto its probably detecting that there is a discrete GPU installed so defaults to that.

Even an entry level graphics card will perform a lot better than an iGPU so I don't know why you want to use the onboard instead but setting bios to "onboard" should enable it as should removing the gpu and leaving it on Auto.


If you mess up the bios settings then removing the cmos battery or pressing the reset button if your mobo has one should load the default bios settings.
 
Thank you for your reply.

Both the motherboard and CPU are old! The motherboard definitely has onboard graphics. Not sure about the CPU but it's about 15 years old!

As the title says, I am having display problems. It is possible that it may be the graphics card that's failing, so I want to use the onboard graphics. I don't need anything fancy for graphics, so onboard graphics would suffice. The graphics card was mainly to run my dual monitors. One monitor will do for now.

Thank you for your advice. I will try setting it to onboard. If I don't post back with an update, that means everything has gone wrong! Haha.
 
I set the motherboard to DVI, but the monitor still did not come on. Do I need to take the graphics card out entirely for this to work?

When I connected the monitor back to the graphics card, the monitor came on and worked even though the BIOS setting has been set to onboard DVI.
 
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I set the motherboard to DVI, but the monitor still did not come on. Do I need to take the graphics card out entirely for this to work?

When I connected the monitor back to the graphics card, the monitor came on and worked even though the BIOS setting has been set to onboard DVI.
What motherboard and CPU? It would be easier to help if we knew what we were dealing with and could consult the specs/manual, etc.

Normally, if you have onboard, it is possible to use both the graphics and the integrated, so you do not need to remove it. However, the behaviour where it just disables it (due to the presence of the graphics card) is also possible.

Note that there was a transition period with DVI where it went from accepting both analogue (equivalent to VGA) and digital, to only accepting digital, which can be an issue with some old systems/monitors.
 
As the title says, I am having display problems. It is possible that it may be the graphics card that's failing, so I want to use the onboard graphics.
Makes sense but the title on its own is rather vague.

Do I need to take the graphics card out entirely for this to work?
Not usually but theres no reason why you can't try just unplug the power cable first, if it doesnt work you can give the card and expansion slot a quick dust before you put it back you never know that might fix your "display problems" what ever they are.

What motherboard and CPU? It would be easier to help if we knew what we were dealing with and could consult the specs/manual, etc.
^this, also make and model of GPU and monitor


As above there is more than one DVI standard so that could cause you issues as well:

 
Thank you for your replies.

I do apologise, I normally include system specs, but I just thought it was a generic query and might not require additional specifics.

Motherboard
CPU
Graphics Card
Monitors
OS - Linux
No idea if motherboard graphics driver is installed.

Makes sense but the title on its own is rather vague.

I deliberately omitted additional info as I just wanted to know how to get the onboard to work and not concentrate on trying to fix the issue with the graphics card.

Just for your information, the issue is flickering and taking several minutes for the monitors to show anything. Initial startup showed fine, but not login screen, however, now even the initial startup doesn't show at times. Anyway, as mentioned, this post is about getting the onboard to work, not trying to fix the issue with the graphics card.

Thank you.
 
That motherboard has an AMD 760G northbridge which contains a GPU.
You can get both AMD & NVIDIA graphics drivers working under Linux if they are installed correctly. Try installing the 760G driver again.
 
I deliberately omitted additional info as I just wanted to know how to get the onboard to work and not concentrate on trying to fix the issue with the graphics card.

Yes but it left us grasping at straws.

Now we know the motherboard has onboard graphics with DVI-D, HDMI and VGA outputs and your monitor has HDMI and VGA and comes with a HDMI to DVI-D cable.

That mobo only allows you to use a single digital output at a time you cant use the DVI-D and HDMI ports at the same time but you can use the VGA port as well.

Your monitors are also 1920*1200 not the more common 1920*1080



Initial startup showed fine, but not login screen

The flickering, blank screen could be down to drivers, the wrong resolution or refresh rate so the GPU might be fine.




You can get both AMD & NVIDIA graphics drivers working under Linux if they are installed correctly. Try installing the 760G driver again

Have you just switched to Linux from windows because they are dropping support for W10 and it’s too old for W11?

If yes was it working fine with the GTX 460 before you installed Linux and what distro have you installed?

I’ve only dabbled in Linux, but an update recently broke the graphics on an ancient Linux mint laptop I have because the integrated intel graphics were depreciated so it won’t boot into Cinnamon now but I can still get into Wayland.


Its possible you have a Linux problem not a hardware problem.







this post is about getting the onboard to work, not trying to fix the issue with the graphics card

From you mobo manual to get onboard DVI-D working I would have tried:
IGX = “UMA”
UMA Frame buffer size = “1024”
Onboard VGA output connect = D-sub/DVI
VGA core clock = Auto

Then find “init display first”
Set it to = On chip VGA


If I was using the GTX 460 I would set IGX to disabled and Init display first to PEG.


Personally I would ditch your HDMI to DVI cable and just use a HDMI cable (onboard VGA connect output then set to = D-sub/HDMI).
 
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Thank you for your replies.

I had already checked that the IGX was set to UMA, which it was.

I used to use Ubuntu but the only reason I changed to another distro was due to the problems with getting nVidia drivers to work! I really did give it a mighty big chance, but the sheer volume of troubleshooting steps (most of which didn't work) was enough for anybody to be forced to ditch it! My current distro works fine with my hardware without needing to manually install anything. The nVidia drivers are already installed via the Software Centre. I will probably have done this myself but can't remember as it was a long time ago. The nouveau drivers are also installed.

I pressed the button to change the brightness or contrast in the actual monitors own menu and automatically set everything to maximum again and adjusting the settings back have proved to be impossible! It keeps resetting back every time I try. I have just about managed to set it to 75% brightness, which is still way to bright, but any further press of the buttons would risk it setting back to 100! I am having to change all my backgrounds to grey to avoid the discomfort! I'm assuming this behaviour may be due to the constant flickering that just won't allow the settings to be adjusted, but that's just a wild guess.

My current display settings only has one refresh rate, which is 60.

No, I've been using Linux for nearly 30 years! I started with Ubuntu but have been using PCLinuxOS for several years.

I will try the motherboard suggestions after I have posted this message. The monitor takes its time to come on and stabilise!

Two suggestions which I would like to avoid until I have tried all other suggestions is purchasing a new cable and messing with the nVidia drivers (re-install).
 
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After I posted my last message, I noticed that the graphics drivers (nouveau, not nvidia) showed an upgrade icon, which I clicked on and I don't know if it was a coincidence or not, but the computer suddenly broke. All the USBs stopped working and I couldn't log on to any of my drives. Luckily, I had an old PS2 keyboard which helped! Luckily also, I was able to boot into an old live USB Linux drive (not sure how) and managed to install it onto a different hard drive! So, sorry for the late reply!

I have been forced to concentrate on fixing the computer instead of the original issue of the graphics, but I can now provide more details that may help diagnose the problem, for example, a brand new install of the latest Linux on a different hard drive from scratch still has the same graphics issues. Everything works fine (USBs etc) with the new drive but still can't boot into the old drives, even with the PS2 keyboard. I could try safe mode next.

Have I understood correctly that is it the CPU that you suggested changing (the computer's processor)?

I think even for testing purposes, I would rather buy new parts, as second hand would only be an extra item to troubleshoot if it turns out not to be working!

I am very wary of setting init display first to on-chip because I tried disconnecting the graphics card completely but the monitors went on standby instantly, no signal at all and I don't want to be stuck on that setting without any way of accessing it again! Shouldn't it have automatically used the on-chip graphics regardless of the init display first setting if the card was removed? I'm not sure what the default setting is, but would the suggestion above of taking out the battery and replacing it allow me to get back in if I installed the card again?
 
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I was able to boot into an old live USB Linux drive (not sure how)
Sounds like an OS problem rather than a new hardware fault which is why booting from a different OS on your USB stick worked.


I couldn't log on to any of my drives.

still can't boot into the old drives
Could be a corrupt OS, a faulty hard drive or the newer drivers or kernel might not be compatible with your old hardware.

Some distros also have encryption enabled if it was encrypted you wouldn't be able to access your files by booting from a different OS drive either.


a brand new install of the latest Linux on a different hard drive from scratch still has the same graphics issues
Newer Linux kernels sometimes drop support for older hardware, so occasionally an older version can work better than the current release.
e.g I have Mint installed on a couple of old machines but I'm aware that the kernel with the latest release doesn't support the onboard intel graphics they have I think it also has problems with old NVIDIA cards.

So have you tried different distros / kernels since you started having problems?

e.g. Mint I would try 22.1 or earlier not the latest, they also have a debian version at the bottom of the download page:

There are literally hundreds you could pick from:


I know you have been using Linux for ages but do you have or can you download Windows 10 and use it just to see if the graphics card works under that OS; you don't have to activate it just run it long enough to see if the GPU works because you still don't know if you have got a hardware or software problem.


Have I understood correctly that is it the CPU that you suggested changing (the computer's processor)?
No I meant replace the whole computer but if you saw a graphics card for a few pounds then you could try that instead of your GTX460 before you replace everything.


I am very wary of setting init display first to on-chip because I tried disconnecting the graphics card completely but the monitors went on standby instantly, no signal at all and I don't want to be stuck on that setting without any way of accessing it again! Shouldn't it have automatically used the on-chip graphics regardless of the init display first setting if the card was removed? I'm not sure what the default setting is, but would the suggestion above of taking out the battery and replacing it allow me to get back in if I installed the card again?
Page 13 of the motherboard manual you posted tells you how to clear the bios: Remove the mains power cable, then remove the battery and wait for a few minutes.

There is also a clear CMOS jumper (page 16) but you shouldn't need to use it and if you do I strongly advise to disconnect from the mains and take the battery out first because shorting the jumper could damage something otherwise.

Page 18 tells you what the (default) graphics settings are the problem is you are using a DVI cable and the default is "D-SUB/HDMI" so you need a HDMI or standard VGA D-Sub cable if you reset the CMOS without a graphics card installed.


I think even for testing purposes, I would rather buy new parts, as second hand would only be an extra item to troubleshoot if it turns out not to be working!
It just depends what is available to you locally, most people would be happy to show you that something works if you can collect it.

No one is going to recommend buying a new motherboard, CPU and RAM then using it with a 15 year old hard drive and power supply, so if you don't want second hand parts then you probably need to build a complete new PC.

There are cheap ex business / refurbished PC's which are ok for basic use but some of the sellers aren't very honest e.g. installing Windows 11 on hardware that doesn't meet Microsoft requirements (Intel CPUs should be at least gen 8 for W11). That doesn't matter so much to you if you want to still run Linux but you need to be careful what you buy isn't a lemon and is a fair price for its age but we can't talk about prices or other suppliers on this forum.



If you want to build a new computer people will make suggestions on hardware if you post your budget and what you use it for but it might be better in a new thread, you also need to remember that the flickering etc could also be your monitors dying.
 
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