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I've got lots of time off from work and even when at work, particularly on nights, I have the opportunity to study so I want to progress my very stagnant career.

What I do need however is a degree that's actually worth something. I'm looking at the Open University but are their qualifications any good, or are these the so called "milk carton" degrees?

Anyone got any experience with this? Any suggestions? I'm looking for the best I can get, the only criteria is that I can do it part time, distance learning and very flexible.

For those curious, I'm wanting to do something in engineering. Exactly what I don't know, but as of right now I'm leaning towards Aerospace Engineering.

All input appreciated :)
 
Everybody I know who has had any dealings with the OU rates it very highly. By far the best choice for distance learning I would have thought.
 
When we used to recruit at HP, any candidates with an OU degree went to the top of the pile.
 
I've got lots of time off from work and even when at work, particularly on nights, I have the opportunity to study so I want to progress my very stagnant career.

What I do need however is a degree that's actually worth something. I'm looking at the Open University but are their qualifications any good, or are these the so called "milk carton" degrees?

Anyone got any experience with this? Any suggestions? I'm looking for the best I can get, the only criteria is that I can do it part time, distance learning and very flexible.

For those curious, I'm wanting to do something in engineering. Exactly what I don't know, but as of right now I'm leaning towards Aerospace Engineering.

All input appreciated :)

You need to decide where you want your career to progress to before you can choose an appropriate degree.
 
You need to decide where you want your career to progress to before you can choose an appropriate degree.

This. Be sure that you're decided on where you want your career to go. Hone that specialism and go hell for leather for it.

OU degrees are highly respected due to the commitment involved in completing them.
 
When we used to recruit at HP, any candidates with an OU degree went to the top of the pile.

Out of interest why? I imagine most OU students are older than average.

If you want to do engineering I hope you got a minimum B/A at maths A level,as that will make your life a lot easier.
 
you've got a few options in London

Open University http://www.open.ac.uk/

Well respected in the UK as per the previous posts. Courses are self contained, there are evening tutorials which you don't have to attend and online tutorials which are recorded. Tutors are generally drawn from academics at other universities - I think for the law degree they also have practicing solicitors/barristers as tutors... (could be useful in terms of future job applications in that respect too given that these guys will also be marking your coursework). You can treat it as distance learning or you can be more involved with attending tutorials, revision weekends etc..

University of London International Program http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/

This used to be called the 'external program' - like the OU you can do a degree in your spare time, unlike the OU I understand there is less support available. You'll get a University of London Degree, you'll be administered by one of the constituent colleges - however you're basically going to be given a bunch of books and you then later sit exams... bit of a contrast to the ongoing coursework/tutorial support you'd get at the OU. This really is a 'distance learning' option.

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Birkbeck

http://www.bbk.ac.uk/

This is closer to a regular university albeit in the evenings and with a bit more time to complete the qualification. Perhaps a stronger brand name than the open university though maybe less flexible than the OU or International program... you'll actually be attending lectures a couple of nights a week so not really a 'distance learning' option.


Other options if you're not necessarily after a degree - MOOCs are becoming more popular these days, you can now get 'verified certificates', they're still not really recognised as equivalents to proper university courses* even though you could, with some of them, cover the same material and gain the same level of knowledge. Then again if it is the knowledge you're after and something to at least show for it then they're useful:

https://www.udacity.com/
https://www.coursera.org/
https://www.edx.org/

*I believe there are a couple on coursera that do now offer official US college credit that could be counted towards a degree at a US institution there is also a computer science MSc by Georgia Tech run in conjunction with Udacity... though that requires the usual admissions requrements etc.. (some of the courses are available for free, not for credit).
 
Engineering might be trickier via distance learning. There is a generic 'Engineering' degree offered by the OU but I'm not sure how good it is.

On the other hand maybe do maths/maths & physics with the OU and then go for a 1 yr full time MSc Aeronautical Engineering course... you can certainly get a lot of the applied maths background covered in your spare time that way... there are some reasonably deep 3rd year modules covering waves, fluid mechanics, electromagnetism etc..
 
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Out of interest why? I imagine most OU students are older than average.

Because of the obvious commitment required to complete an OU course. We used to say an OU 2:1 was equivalent to a 1st from another Uni, 2:2 equivalent to a 2:1 etc.

As for age, we never looked at the age of an applicant - I don't recall the application forms even asking for it. The only time we took someones birthday was for an ID check and security clearance.
 
Because of the obvious commitment required to complete an OU course. We used to say an OU 2:1 was equivalent to a 1st from another Uni, 2:2 equivalent to a 2:1 etc.

As for age, we never looked at the age of an applicant - I don't recall the application forms even asking for it. The only time we took someones birthday was for an ID check and security clearance.

Is that specifically as most OU students will be working at same time, or that they have no lectures to go to etc? (and thus increased effort reqd)

Age was only commented on generally, not that I think it has an impact. (bar likelihood of increased life responsibilities etc)
 
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It appears the OU engineering degree is accredited. Worth double checking. It is a good start as it gives it more strength for employers and you can aim for chartered status further down the line.
 
Is that specifically as most OU students will be working at same time, or that they have no lectures to go to etc? (and thus increased effort reqd)

Age was only commented on generally, not that I think it has an impact.

We just found that there was generally a correlation between motivation and intellect with OU degrees vs other institutions. I think it was something like 80% of OU graduates were still with us after 2 yrs vs 50% of other grads (when using dismissal on performance grounds as a reason for exit).
 
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It appears the OU engineering degree is accredited. Worth double checking. It is a good start as it gives it more strength for employers and you can aim for chartered status further down the line.

A very specific path of modules is accredited AFAIK, be very sure that the modules you choose conform, not all of them do.
 
Some solid advice here, thanks all. OU are having an open day this saturday not too far from here so I'll head over and see what they have to say. As for the specifics, I'm not too sure myself yet but I'll have to make a decision, should be interesting.
 
As per: http://mcs.open.ac.uk/engineering/accreditation.php

They had a number of accreditations previously but by having to introduce new forms of their BEng and MEng, they'll have to go through the whole process again. We've been told it can't officially happen until somebody has graduated from the degree though, so for the BEng that won't be until about 2018 I believe as they are being strict about not letting anyone study more than 60 points per year for the degree.

One thing to be wary of is that they recently introduced the idea of a core route and an extended route in terms of the maths modules that you can pick from at Stage 1. What they are calling the extended route however was actually the only option available previously, so you might make life difficult for yourself in later modules by choosing the core route.

For the BEng pathways, here are the module options at Stages 2 and 3 as I think they still don't detail them on the main site:

Curriculum at Stage 2
Stage 2 study increases the depth of your study in engineering and also begins your study towards a more specialist area as determined by your chosen study route.

All qualifications begin with the module T207 Engineering: mechanics, materials, design (60 credits), which is about how engineers find solutions for technical problems and includes studying aspects of the mechanics of solids and fluids, and the structure and properties of materials.

You’ll then begin focusing on your chosen specialism:

Engineering design is covered by T218 Design for engineers (30 credits), where you’ll learn about the process of designing and how designs are conceived, presented and developed, as well as basic principles of mechanics and materials that are required by the engineering designer.
Energy and sustainability is covered by T213 Energy and sustainability (30 credits), where you’ll study the range of energy generation solutions available to us, their underlying technologies, the advantages and disadvantages of each, and how to analyse their environmental impact.
Environmental technologies are covered by T219 Environmental management 1 (30 credits); using a systems approach to analyse real and complex situations, you’ll explore the management of environmental technologies and how organisations, tools and techniques are used to achieve sustainability.
Mathematical methods are covered by MST224 Mathematical methods (30 credits), where you’ll study the methods used to model and solve real-world problems, including differential equations, linear algebra and vector calculus.

Stage 2 study is completed by T276 Engineering: professions, practice and skills 2 (30 credits), which includes your second week-long residential school.


Curriculum at Stage 3
At Stage 3 your studies will be more project-based and specific in topics to your choice of route.

The engineering design and environmental technologies routes kick off with the project-based module T317 Innovation: designing for change (60 credits), which looks at how successful innovations emerge and how innovation can be directed towards ensuring a socially, economically and environmentally sustainable future.

The energy and sustainability route begins with T313 Renewable energy (30 credits), which studies the selection, implementation and assessment of sustainable energy technologies; it then moves to T356 Engineering small worlds: micro and nano technologies (30 credits), which explores the development of micro- and nano-scale devices in terms of their engineering and operation, through detailed study of real devices.

Next, the engineering design and energy and sustainability routes include T357 Structural integrity: designing against failure (30 credits), which focuses on the design and assessment of components and structures under load – exploring stress analysis, materials behaviour and the mechanics of failure. The environmental technologies route will extend its study of environmental management in T319 Environmental management 2 (30 credits), taking a more strategic approach and concentrating on the creative and innovative sides of sustainability.

The mathematical methods specialism begins with further study of mathematical methods and fluid mechanics in MST326 Mathematical methods and fluid mechanics (30 credits), where you’ll model simple fluid flows and learn how to solve ordinary and partial differential equations. This is followed by MT365 Graphs, networks and design (30 credits), which is about using ideas from discrete mathematics to model problems and representing these ideas graphically. You’ll also explore how engineers deploy knowledge of materials behaviour to prevent failure of components and structures in T357 Structural integrity: designing against failure (30 credits).

To complete your degree, all routes will undertake a structured project designed to consolidate your studies by addressing an engineering challenge, in T450 The engineering project (30 credits). Finally, you’ll conclude your professional development planning by reviewing your professional engineering skills.

We've not had any details as yet on what the module options will be for Stages 2, 3 and 4 of the MEng pathways though.
 
Thanks for all the replies folks.


My wife and I went to the Open University's open day in Enfield on Saturday, I was quite impressed with the service and organization they had, and we've decided that this is the route we want to go down.

My wife wants to study criminology and psychology, and I'm going for engineering. I've done a few aptitude tests regarding this and they all point towards civil engineering. The problem with that is that the OU doesn't do civil engineering. Apparently it's a bit of a difficult one to learn part time due to the amount of class time you need, which does make sense.

This coupled with the fact that I'm still not 100% sold on the civil engineering part (aerospace engineering also appeals to me and scored quite high in my aptitude tests) means I'll do the general engineering degree and see where that takes me. After a couple of years, when I'm more cinfident in my abilities, I'll start putting out some lines to see if I can start a career which will suit my needs and wants more.

Another issue I'm facing is that the shut off date for February's starting period is on Wednesday, I doubt I'll have a student loan by then :p

I'll have to wait until October to start, but what's 8 more months when I've waited 30 years to do this.

Might find a maths class to do in the mean time, just to brush up on thigs (I was always quite strong at maths at school, but it's been a while).
 
mit open courseware, coursera, udacity etc...

plenty of free resources to get your maths up to scratch, good luck with it all :)
 
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