Do Fish feel pain?

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Originally posted by arty
Do you eat what you catch? If not, do you throw back the fish alive, well and unharmed?

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I don't eat what I catch, not too fond of trout or salmon but I do give my catch to a few of my relatives who are fond of fish. In fact I might take a spin out to the lake today for a few casts :D
 
Originally posted by DOOM
But if i stamp on your foot,what if i say the same about you,i cant tell by looking at you that you feel pain or that you feel it the same as i,your reaction doesnt tell me anything,but it is repeatable,that is: if i stamp on your foot the same way many times,the reflex and response will seem to be very much the same,of coarse it tells us you feel pain,and we can say the same about everything.

Whether it feels pain or not,i dont care,who cares? there only fish,i think people are turning into wimps,
"urrgh arrgh ahhh they feel pain,poor things" SHUT UP i dont care,i dont care whether they feel like we do,im human there fish and fish are stupid and suck,im better than a fish.

You gotta look at it like that otherwise youll turn into a sissy.
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But is your dad harder than that fishs dad?;)

I agree with the point that it is just simply hunting for food. Other animals feel pain when they are hunted, its natural, its a way of life. If you start worrying about the pain of fish, its going to happen for every other animal and ways to kill it without using pain. Then this turns into extra cost which means the fish that we buy from suppliers is going to be more expensive. If you ask the people who buy fish and chips from any of our shops they will tell you they dont give a monkeys how they are killed, they just want some good chow. And we give the customers what they want:)
 
Originally posted by zero
but if you stamped on my foot and i wasnt looking i would know bacause my nervous system would tell me, by means of pain sensation, i would probably swear and then move my foot... and keep sewaring... then make sure i never stood next to you again.
the thing is pain is part of being a liveing thing, to continue liveing the body must function, if somebody comes allong and sticks a pole in my chest my organs get punctured and my body is no longer able to function, i loose consiousness and then die. it would be somthing that would trouble me for years if i managed to survive, i would live in perpetual fear of poles, because it hurt + i might die. if i were a fish and the same happened poles would still just be poles, i would swim past without a care in the world i would not have the mental capacity to rember that it hurt or rember being stabed almost to death with said pole, makeing pain as we know it pritty useless..

i dont loose any sleep over it, i am aware of the fact im higher up the food chain than a fish or insects for that matter, i dont need to pull anythings legs off or stabv it with a tooth pick to make myself feel big either.. i just hope you dont believe in reincarnation DOOM :p
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I was a cruel kid,so what?

No i dont believe in reincarnation cos im not a *******.

Whats the point in that,you dont remember your previous life,hardly worth it,so either way im not gonna care cos im not gonna know about it,if i am to know about it then that makes all life on earth equal cos they all think the same.
 
There are two points:
1) Fish have nerves so will feel sensation and pain - their brains will use the impulses.
2) Humans killing and eating fish is just normal Nature on this planet.

Personally I think that killing animals for pleasure is not my thing, however I have no disagreement if the killing is specific reasons (culling, food etc) even if the hunt is pleasurable and doesn't lead to the extinction of the species.
 
Originally posted by Kieran
That has to be the most ignorante.. no.. stupid post ive ever seen. Im a vegetarian, if i knew plants felt pain i would still eat them. There is other reason's to being a vegetarian than because you love animals, for one its healthier.
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What if people found out plants did have feelings. would they still use christmas trees as such? uprooting a tree, cutting off the roots and letting it die slowly in a pot for a few weeks...

Also, its NOT 'healthier' to eat as a vegetarian - meat provides you with many substances crucial to human body, which CAN b provided by vegetables, but its not what you eat thats really the healthy part but the amount and when... Think of the fact a glass of red wine is good for the body, a bottle isnt :D
 
Re: Re: Do Fish feel pain?

Originally posted by NeoNemesis
Who cares?
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There are certain groups such as PETA who want angling to be banned on the grounds that fish feel pain and say its a cruel activity.

To do this they will use the media to spread their propaganda to gradually soften resistance to their ideas. which I may add go well beyond just angling.

If you have no interest in the subject why post?

paul
 
Originally posted by Kieran
Heart Attacks, All that Mad Cow stuff (i cant recall the name) and various other illness's brought on by eating meat. ANY thing that your body needs that can be gotten from meat CAN be gotten with eatting a non meat diet too, you just have to make the extra effort in eating the right things. I dont care if people eat meat, it doesnt bother me, i just couldnt believe how ingorante the guy i replied to in my 1st post was being
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You should educate yourself on the nutritional problems of vegetarianism and 'that mad cow stuff' before calling someone else ignorant.
 
Notice the HAHA at the end,its supposed to be a joke,based on the idea that many vegitarians dont eat meat cos they dont like animal slaughter,its also why in the states youll see a "guilt free" this or that as if eating meat is supposed to make me feel guilty
(no it wasnt to do with fat level,even if it was i still wouldnt feel guilty),
also i mentioned animal rights activists in many respects i actually do wish they will starve to death,they are idiots,second rate idiots at that.
 
The Iceman was 40 years old and old for his age at the time. Samples of his hair proved that he was a vegetarian for the most part of his life, though his final meal did consist of meat for some strange reason. There was not an ounce of fat to be found anywhere on his body. He had the fitness to outrun his pursuers who were probably a lot younger than he, despite his severe injuries. Says a lot for vegetarianism, methinks.
 
I thought his hair proved that he was a veggie for the last few months of his life...a little off topic but how do they know he was being persued before he died? I thought he simply got caught in a storm?

btw, not having any fat on your body would mean you were dead.
 
The Iceman Death was bodged from start to finish. They examined his X-Rays and couldn't establish his cause of death, so they sent it to an X-Ray specialist for further analysis. There, in full view for all the world to see was a stone arrowhead embedded in his left shoulder. The arrow had cut through the main artery of his shoulder, paralysing it, hence the unusual position of his arm when he laid down to rest. He died within 2 to 10 hrs of recieving the wound. He also had a severe cut on his right hand which paralysed his thumb. If memory serves me right I believe he was a veggie for the most part of his life.
 
Oh well that sums it up for me,ill avoid being a vegetarian in case it turns me into a butthead that gets chased by people with spears,they must have thought "hey look what we have here,some punk that dont eat meat cos hes yellow belly,lets show him what real men are".

Sorry dont fill me confidence :)
 
I believe, in my opinion, his last meal consisted of meat because he was on the run and hunted for food for sustenance. He managed to outrun his younger pursuers which is no mean feat for a 40 year old, a very old man for those days.
 
Bodys were different,smaller,more muscles,slept more,didnt live as long,tougher mind set and more stupid,our human species has been like it is for 30,000 years,before that things were different.

You ate anything at risk and only to survive,not by choice,or maybe he preffered meat,but the body is different.

If i went vegan (which is what your saying,no dairy products!)
id probably get ill.

Ask a body builder if hes vegan and hed laugh at you,they pump emselves up on milk,chicken,steak tonnes of varous protien,the most effective body building protien is actually from cheese production:
whey protien,turkey protien is almost as good,i know i used to body build although i gave it up too soon to gain more than half a stone in muscle weight.

You need veg,you need amino acids and vitamins all this is important.

Listen all ill say is if youre a vegitarian get good whey protien powder and drink a shake each day,all that soya and tofu wont do you any good.
 
What does a body builder prove, that he's got muscle? Once he stops weightlifting his body sags and bloats and he looks like an old man with a beer pot. The Iceman knew about his diet. He had in his possession plants which aided his digestion and helped prevent ailments. He understood about the care of his body, even in those early days. Body building is artificial and doesn't promote good health. Ask my body building neighbour who died at age 35 in the bath.
 
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