Do Nvidia & ATI need sep forum?

Final8y · 14 Sep 2009 at 10:16

kylew said:
Seems about right to me.

'Uh, uh, you express valid claims of frustration and dislike of company that plays low and dirty, therefore you are suddenly, without question, affiliated with said company's rivals and labelled an irrational fanboy fool!'

The problem is that some people don't care about those valid claim & think that no one else should either which is just plan wrong.
I have no problem with others not caring but no one is telling me not to & the fact that me not buying will not make a difference to the company is not the point but my right to exercise my morals & ethics.
Not everything is done only if it has an obvious instant effect.

Sharlaw · 14 Sep 2009 at 10:38

Separate forums won't solve the issue and will detract from the purpose of these forums which is to help people. Believe it or not some people have no preference and come here asking for advice and help from people more experienced or with a better grasp of how things are.
This means that people will voice a preferece for one maker or another.
In my opinion, we need to get rid of the people who seem to take offence at people voicing their own opinions and then get aggresivly defensive of their own.
Yes discussion is good, but when it just turns into a personal fight between people it's just a waste of time. New people will come here, see the threads full of spam and irrelevant arguing and leave and not come back.

Final8y · 14 Sep 2009 at 10:47

Sharlaw said:
Separate forums won't solve the issue and will detract from the purpose of these forums which is to help people. Believe it or not some people have no preference and come here asking for advice and help from people more experienced or with a better grasp of how things are.
This means that people will voice a preferece for one maker or another.
In my opinion, we need to get rid of the people who seem to take offence at people voicing their own opinions and then get aggresivly defensive of their own.
Yes discussion is good, but when it just turns into a personal fight between people it's just a waste of time. New people will come here, see the threads full of spam and irrelevant arguing and leave and not come back.

Voicing opinions is the norm, voicing opinions as facts & people just posting drivers are crap, get the other makers cards at the first hint of an issue is no help to anyone.
I think having a persons real age displayed should be compulsory as it makes it easier to understand why some people say things that they do & makes it easier to ignore comments coming from some people as such comments would be expected from some in that age group due to many factors.

Shijeer · 14 Sep 2009 at 12:21

come on, we do -not- need separate forums, the Green vs Red/AMD vs Intel epopee is the lifeblood of this forum, and every other like it. if it ceases... well then only dullness remains.

Be careful what you wish for. Besides, you know full well that the other 'side' will visit the 'separate' forum frequently, without fail.

The trollesque suggestion that the forums must be divided to 'keep the ignorant, spamy, what-have-you -other- side out' is ridiculous in and of itself.

- Shijeer

Alex74 · 14 Sep 2009 at 12:32

Final8y said:
...I think having a persons real age displayed should be compulsory as it makes it easier to understand why some people say things that they do & makes it easier to ignore comments coming from some people as such comments would be expected from some in that age group due to many factors.

Fair enough, but that would be impossible to do..after all, how do you make someone (and verify that they have) post their real birthyear on the internet? :confused:

twoblacklines said:
[snip] I will never own an nvidia one again [/snip]

When somebody says "omg i haz lyk, 2 cards from them which no work and the driverz r lamr. Never wl buy frm ATi/NVIDIA agen", I get the impression that people are very happy to discuss driver issues and technical faults. The problems come in that last line, because it's not really a reasonable thing to say.

What I feel that you are saying, and the impression I get from kylew and others (myself included in this), is that it's a case of "I'm not going to buy from NVIDIA until/unless...". That is, after all, the whole point of consumer power.
This is in contrast to many of the um..lesser educated NVIDIA/ATi supporters are very happy to just say "I will never buy ATi/NVIDIA again" with little to no reasonable clarification.

People who boycott spending based on company policy are happy to be vocal about it, and that's fine, but the problem is that the sentiment of willingness to change that "if NVIDIA change their policies" often becomes lost in either walls of text or 'flamewars'. It can never even appear at all in certain discussions. This leads to the very same polarising statements such as yours right there that any fanboy might give, which is why we inherit the label 'fanboy'.

(I dont know how this comes across, but it's not an attack on you at all twoblacklines in any way, just a general commentary using your post as an example

)

AMG · 14 Sep 2009 at 12:50

A. I m not paying like £300 for a Nvidia card, if it only gives what 10extra fame rates
B. I don't really want my money to land up in Nvida managing directors, as they are tards

but anyways there are reason why I m not jumping on the bandwagon, if Nvida has much better than Nvidia it will be, if they give very little for little gain than ATI it will be, again.

Biffa · 14 Sep 2009 at 13:04

Its not really the trollers that are the problem, its the people who can't help but bite back and feed the troll.

If the troll/offtopic/derogatory posts were reported and removed then the thread could stay on track.

And no I don't think its a good idea to split the forum.

Final8y · 14 Sep 2009 at 13:05

Alex74 said:
Fair enough, but that would be impossible to do..after all, how do you make someone (and verify that they have) post their real birthyear on the internet?

You don't.

Some people lie when it comes to getting access to content reserved for an age group.

There is less reason to lie on such a forum as this.
Lie to much about your age would make that something 30-60 people look really silly with making constant juvenile comments, so either they are what they say they are & will never get a grasp by that age & likely never will or they are in fact much younger and are not able to act beyond there real years as expected.

With that you can gauge how much effort is worth in trying to have a reasoned debate with them.
I expect more from older people than younger people & when i see a younger person having i reasoned debate is very pleasing & should be respected.

Rezident · 14 Sep 2009 at 13:57

twoblacklines said:
I will never own an nvidia one again, they dont care about the customer, just their $$$$. They wont fix a driver issue (that happened to ati and got fixed back in x1600 days) that happens with their 200 series cards because they cant be bothered, or dont care.

same as, I'm not a fan of ATI (or any corporation, seriously, why are people in love with corporations? it's like some dystopian future where people become zombies that worship companies, it's like the plot for a bad game) I just hate the way nvidia treated me as a customer, no whql drivers for six months! and now I hope they get what they deserve.

Dark_Angel · 14 Sep 2009 at 13:59

Jokester said:
Yeah it does, cut out the swearing.

I lol'ed

No it doesn't need seperate sub forums. People just need to get a little perspective and not get so caught up in online wars for companies.

A card is a card, buy what you prefer. I do understand though that ATI and NV have done some underhanded stuff in the past, but meh. I work on the same principal as anything, whatever works best gets my cash.

Wakinglimb · 14 Sep 2009 at 14:01

Oh dear. Of course we don't need two forums for two different manufacturers of graphics chips. All we need is for people who are so stupid that they feel the need to fight for the honour of a company that makes graphics chips to leave - simple.

99% of forum members will have had cards from one them and even from 3dfx, Intel, PowerVR, STMicroelectronics (Kyro!!) et al! And really don't care which company makes the card, just that it performs well and at a good price. If people feel the need to argue they should take a hard look at themselves and perhaps just grow up a little.

Dark_Angel · 14 Sep 2009 at 14:07

I really miss 3DFX if I am honest, I loved my Voodoo 2 and 3!

I loved "gliding" around in games. (excuse the pun

).

Spazzfish · 14 Sep 2009 at 14:08

Separate forums won't stop fools being fools, but it will make it easier to find information so should be done anyway. I also think you should have a separate AMD and Intel cpu forums as well.

Wakinglimb · 14 Sep 2009 at 14:30

Spazzfish said:
Separate forums won't stop fools being fools, but it will make it easier to find information so should be done anyway. I also think you should have a separate AMD and Intel cpu forums as well.

Wouldn't that make things MUCH harder though? What if someone doesn't care about which company makes something and just want to know about the best GPU/CPU for their money? Ask the same question in two places? They can go to the companies websites for that. This isn't The Gaza Strip - it's an overclockers forum! No need to argue about anything!

miker1 · 14 Sep 2009 at 14:40

I have no problems with the "for and against" style arguments that all card questions get.

What I do hate? dislike? a great deal is the slagging of people who have a different opinion.

Final8y · 14 Sep 2009 at 14:48

miker1 said:
I have no problems with the "for and against" style arguments that all card questions get.

What I do hate? dislike? a great deal is the slagging of people who have a different opinion.

Your last comment in the Discussion On The ATI Radeon 5*** Series Before They Have Been Released thread could be seen as that tho.

If i was bothered i would just ask that person to clarify why or just left the "EVERYONE should want these to be better than the current fastest, as it will drive the constant increases in performance & Because you have just bought a 295?"part in otherwise

willhub · 14 Sep 2009 at 14:51

People who think it's got worse in here lately, that's not correct, it was worse with the 2900 series.

Spazzfish · 14 Sep 2009 at 14:58

Wakinglimb said:
Wouldn't that make things MUCH harder though? What if someone doesn't care about which company makes something and just want to know about the best GPU/CPU for their money? Ask the same question in two places? They can go to the companies websites for that. This isn't The Gaza Strip - it's an overclockers forum! No need to argue about anything!

Problem you have at the moment is if someone asks that question now, you get too many opinions and not enough fact, then you get the bickering between what's best and not between different members.
You better off going into an amd forum and asking what's the best gpu for my money to get the amd side of things then doing the same for nvida and then making up your own mind, rather then looking at contradictory threads of argument.

Wakinglimb · 14 Sep 2009 at 15:10

Spazzfish said:
Problem you have at the moment is if someone asks that question now, you get too many opinions and not enough fact, then you get the bickering between what's best and not between different members.
You better off going into an amd forum and asking what's the best gpu for my money to get the amd side of things then doing the same for nvida and then making up your own mind, rather then looking at contradictory threads of argument.

I see your point, but I would prefer to cut out the bickering, leaving the facts.

Final8y · 14 Sep 2009 at 15:23

Wakinglimb said:
I see your point, but I would prefer to cut out the bickering, leaving the facts.

If everyone stuck to the facts that would indeed cut the bickering by a huge amount.
There will always be issues sparked off when misinterpretation or comprehension & bad context arises.
But the fact are all that really matter no matter what the persons preference.