Do Samsungs still have the sharpest / most vivid display?

[james.miller]

If it fits your agenda, then of course I "misinterpret" the evidence.
I say that the samsung phones produce unreal, oversatured, overburn and fake colours, confirmed by the opinions of many people - blow out red and white colours, too bright colours which can't be so in nature, etc...

Ok. I have asked you many many many times to prove your claims but you havent been able to thus far. I don't know if that is because you don't understand what counts as proof or not, so I'll state it here: Single digit word count opinions of random youtubers is not proof. Evidence of testing, numbers, figures..that is proof.

I want to see test results, not youtuber opinions, that debunk DisplayMate's own tests. I cannot make it and clearer than that. and I would hope that this time you understand.

So, in support of the argument i am presenting to you, here's a 2nd group of tests on the Galaxy S9's display which corroborate DisplayMate's own:

https://www.androidpit.com/samsung-galaxy-s9-display-review

The most accurate colors ever seen

Though, we can see and admire the quality with our own naked eyes, it is not AndroidPIT who gives the Galaxy S9 the title of best display in the world, but rather Display Mate. Seeing may be believing, but we decided to put the displays to the test anyway for the sake of having some more scientific objectivity.

According to Display Mate, the OLED panel of the Samsung Galaxy S9 has the best color representation ever seen in mobile devices (High Absolute Color Accuracy). With a value of 0.7 JNCD (Just Noticeable Color Difference), the site says that the color representation of the Galaxy S9 is practically indistinguishable from total perfection. This does not mean that future smartphone models can't improve upon this value, but it is incredibly close to perfect.

The JNCD value measured here is, to put it simply, the difference between the color taken as reference and the measured color. A value of less than 1 means that the color is so close to perfection that it is indistinguishable from the reference to the naked eye.

We have taken our measurements using a color calibration tool called Spyder 5 Elite and the values we have collected are indeed less than 1 JNCD:

The representation of colors in our test
COLOR: RED GREEN BLUE YELLOW CYAN MAGENTA WHITE
x 0.6813 0.2339 0.1441 0.4353 0.1817 0.3262 0.2979
y 0.3187 0.7157 0.0453 0.5385 0.3246 0.1380 0.3183
Delta E 7.9 10.2 4.7 5.9 7.6 4.8 6.7
The x and y values of the table represent the difference between the measured value and the ideal value. By combining the two components, the distance measured in JNCD is obtained. Here is an example for red:

0.6813 + 0.3187i (mathematical representation of the vector)
r = 0.7521 (measure of the vector), θ = 25.0694° (angle)

In this case, red has a variation of 0.7521 JNCD, which is excellent, and corroborates the more precisely obtained results from the tests conducted by Display Mate.

The Galaxy S9 and S9+ are able to correctly represent the sRGB / Rec.709 color range with the screen set to standard mode (to be precise, 107% of this color range). Using the AMOLED Cinema Screen Mode, the devices are able to cover 101% of the DCI-P3 color range for unbeatable results: these smartphones are in fact able to exceed 100% coverage of the DCI-P3 range thanks to a type of OLED panel which has a high saturation called "Deep Red".

Greater than 3 JNCD means you can see a difference if there are two colours on the screen and they are not touching. Greater than 1 but less than 3 means you can see the difference if the colours ARE touching. Less than 1 JNC means indistinguishable to the human eye - visually identical to the reference colour to a human eye, in other words. ALL the numbers in their testing come back less than 1 JNCD as measured with a Spyder 5 Elite. Steller, but note they specifically mention the reds which you have previously claimed on more than one occasion that Samsungs blow out - it's visually perfect. It's not shown in their figures but the whites, the other colour you claim gets blown out, came in even lower at 0.435 JNCD so that's visually perfect also. You have to ask, then, who's right? unknowns on youtube or the guys testing the displays professionally and posting their results? They have reputations to uphold - random youtubers do not.

Now, what will you do? will you still tell me the displays are fake, ignore what I'm telling you and deflect yet again or will you actually accept that you are wrong, retract your claims and stop this crusade?

 

[4K8KW10]

Ok. I have asked you many many many times to prove your claims but you havent been able to thus far. I dont know if thats because you don't understand what counts a sproof or not, so Ill state it here: Single digit word count opinions of random youtubers is not proof. Evidence of testing, numbers, figures..that is proof.

I want to see test results, not youtuber opinions, that debunk DisplayMate's own tests. I cannot make it and clearer than that. and I would hope that this time you understand.

So, in support of the argument i am presenting to you, here's a 2nd group of tests on the Galaxy S9's display which corroborate DisplayMate's own:

https://www.androidpit.com/samsung-galaxy-s9-display-review



Greater than 3 JNCD means you can see a difference if there are two colours on the screen and they are not touching. Greater than 1 but less than 3 means you can see the difference if the colours ARE touching. Less than 1 JNC means indistinguishable to the human eye - visually identical to the reference colour to a human eye, in other words. ALL the numbers in their testing come back less than 1 JNCD as measured with a Spyder 5 Elite. Steller, but note they specifically mention the reds which you have previously claimed on more than one occasion that Samsungs blow out - it's visually perfect. It's not shown in their figures but the whites, the other colour you claim gets blown out, came in even lower at 0.435 JNCD so that's visually perfect also. You have to ask, then, who's right? unknowns on youtube or the guys testing the displays professionally and posting their results? They have reputations to uphold - random youtubers do not.

Now, what will you do? will you still tell me the displays are fake, ignore what I'm telling you and deflect yet again or will you actually accept that you are very, very wrong?

These are laboratory experiments under very special testing of the panel itself - it doesn't test the end-user experience with the software out-of-the-box. What's the goal of having the perfect panel if the software tells it to screw the colours in whatever fake direction it wants to?!

 

[james.miller]

out of the box experience? Irrelevant. Nobody, nobody, buys a phone without changing at least one setting, so to judge a phone on OOTB settings at all is a waste of time and spurious at best. It takes a few seconds to change from the default profile to a calibrated one and choose between exaggerated or (very) accurate colour profiles. If that's the best answer you have then i'm affraid you nothing at all. I use a calibrated profile so everything you tell me about Samsung screens doesn't apply to me or anybody else who went to the minimal effort it takes to set the correct display mode for accurate colour reproduction. It's like claiming the ringer is too quiet and ignoring the fact that you can just..turn it up. Nonsense.

What's the goal of having the perfect panel if the software tells it to screw the colours in whatever fake direction it wants to?!

I don't think you understand the testing at all. They are displaying images on the phone and measuring the colour output with a calibrator. If the software was screwing with the output, it would show up in the measurements. It doesn't because a calibrated mode is being used. It would only be thrown out if the display mode is set to adaptive, which aims for the widest colour range possible, comfortably past DCI-PI3. This is the OOTB setting and it's extremely vivid (which you said it isnt...) if not accurate. other modes are VERY accurate and obviously less vivid. The tests prove this thoroughly.

This is all on the S9 of course. The S10 simplifies things further with automatic colour management and dropping to just 2 screen modes.

From Displaymate:

· New Automatic Color Management

Most Smartphones and Tablets generally provide only one to up to several fixed Color Gamuts. The Galaxy S10 has Automatic Color Management that automatically switches to the proper Color Gamut for any displayed image content that has an ICC Profile within the OLED Wide Color Space, so images automatically appear with the correct colors, neither over-saturated or under-saturated. Automatic Color Management with multiple and varying Color Gamuts is a very useful and important state-of-the-art capability that all manufacturers will need to provide in the future.


· Selectable Screen Modes

The Galaxy S10 provides 2 user selectable Screen Modes that provide control of the vividness of displayed images for each Color Gamut. They are the Natural Mode, which provides the most Accurate Colors, and the Vivid Mode, which provides a Vibrant and Dynamically adjustable Wide Color Gamut up to the Full Native Color Gamut of the OLED display.

DCI-P3 Natural Mode with a Very Accurate Standard DCI-P3 Color Gamut

The Galaxy S10 has the newest Standard Wide Color Gamut called DCI-P3 for Digital Cinema Initiative, which is being used for 4K Ultra HD TVs and in Digital Cinema for the movie industry. So the Galaxy S10 can display the latest high-end 4K video content. The DCI-P3 Gamut is 26 percent larger than the Rec.709 Gamut used in 2K Full HD TVs, both are compared in this accurately colorized Reference Figure. The larger DCI-P3 Color Gamut and its wider range of more saturated colors are also useful in many advanced imaging applications, including HDR High Dynamic Range, which is discussed below.


The measured Color Gamut of the DCI-P3 Natural mode is a Very Accurate 100 percent of the Standard DCI-P3 Color Gamut, and the measured Absolute Color Accuracy is a Record Setting Very Accurate 0.4 JNCD, which is the Most Color Accurate Display we have ever measured, and isVisually Indistinguishable From Perfect, and almost certainly considerably better than your existing Smartphone, living room HDTV, Tablet, Laptop, and computer monitor.


The Galaxy S10 is one of the first displays to reach full 100% of the DCI-P3 as the result of using a new high saturation “Deep Red” OLED. See the Color Accuracy section and the detailed Color Accuracy Plots for the measurements and details. Select the Natural mode using Display Settings – it is not the default screen mode for the Galaxy S10.

· Vivid Screen Mode with the Largest Color Gamut

The Vivid mode has the Wide Native OLED Color Gamut. It provides significantly higher Color Saturation, with a large 142 percent of the Standard sRGB / Rec.709 Color Gamut and 113 percent of the Standard DCI-P3 Color Gamut, the highest that we have ever measured for Smartphones and Tablets. The Vivid mode also provides real-time Adaptive processing that can dynamically adjust images and videos. For some applications it will vary the White Point, Color Gamut, and Color Saturation based on the image content and the color of the surrounding ambient lighting measured by the Ambient Light Sensor (which measures color in addition to brightness).


Some people like the more saturated and Vibrant Colors, plus it is useful for special applications, and especially when using the Galaxy S10 in medium to high levels of Ambient Light, because it offsets some of the reflected light glare that washes out the on-screen image colors. We examine the change in the Color Gamut with Ambient Light below. See the Color Accuracy section for the measurements and details. Select the Vivid mode using Display Settings – it is the factory default screen mode for the Galaxy S10.

 

[mrk]

Thread got a bit busy mid way it would seem

 

[willhub]

The S10+ is best display I ever seen, so smooth and crisp. I remember the S8+ screen was kind of good at first but nothing like this. Given Apple usually is praised for the best displays around ironically they're made by Samsung.

 

[aoaaron]

The displays on samsungs always make me want to switch.

 

[Pawnless Endgame]

Okies, update: I finally got myself into the O2 store today, checked the OnePlus 6T in there and I'm happy with what I see. So that's looks like what I'll be getting, especially given that I've taken a financial hit this month indefinitely.