Do some degrees have less worth than others?
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There's no need to be so hostile.
A degree is the de facto standard, but granted there are other methods of demonstrating ability and competency equivalent to degree level. A level at which plumbers and mechanics are not working.
Easiest?
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If there are no jobs out thre for it then I would argue it is worthless.
The same goes for degrees in good subjects but done in a mediocre level of detail, such as Law at one of the lower ranked Universities.
Some people seem to say 'a degree is a degree', implying they are all equal. Some degrees qualify you to do all sorts of fantastic things: Be a nurse, design the latest car engines, be an accountant etc. Other degrees give you no benefit at all in the real world.
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Yeah i'd say doing a Master's degree and then a few years of professional development is by far and away the easiest route to becoming chartered - what would you consider to be an easier route?
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Engineers typically start on £22-28k but it is very hard to get past the 55-60k barrier. Engineers will never earn as much as GPs or bankers, but the salaries are one of the best out there.
what are you talking about. Is pointing out that you were wrong to disagree with my statement somehow hostile? Hmmmmm.
The standard is not set by the degree, the degree counts toward the standard. This is even more true in the United States where the term Engineer is protected......there are many people with an accredited Engineering Licence that do not hold a formal college degree, but hold significant and demonstrable experience and a credible sponsor or an equivalent gained in an ABET accredited program (these can also be College Programs as well as Industry Apprenticeships, although it depends on the State in which they are licenced as to whether the College Degree is a requirement or not)...but having an Engineering Degree will not alone gain you the required Licences to call yourself a Professional Engineer...further examinations and demonstrable experience are required.
Holding a degree is now the commonest route, but that was not always the case and there are a significant number of Chartered Engineers who are time-served or with non-university apprenticeships across a range of disciplines.
No-one mentioned plumbers or mechanics so instead of trying to wriggle out of your mistake, just accept you were wrong and move on.
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Architecture is a BA degree in most universities.
Try argue BA is worthless with that one
Architecture is a BA degree in most universities.
Try argue BA is worthless with that one
Isn't Architecture actually called 'Architectural Engineering' and either a BEng or an MEng?
Pretty good then, amazing how little respect that engineering has in this country to the laymen though.
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no, that is a different degree entirely.
Bath for example put Architecture in Bsc and they are the only uni to join architecture and civil engineering in the same degree.
http://www.bath.ac.uk/study/ug/prospectus/subject/architecture
Cambridge on the other hand put Architecture under BA.
http://www.arct.cam.ac.uk/
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Lol, they wish.
Chartership doesn't add 'x' amount it anything like that.
This year I will have made more than my old boss and he is chartered (works on the ubderground). I'm also quite underpayed at this time.
Generally yes to the first sentence. It's also down to how Engineers are generally and their personalities. Many don't have the social skills or cunning streak needed to really progress.
Come into oil and reap the benefits, it won't be top banker and lawyer (partner) wages, but it can be into 6 figures quite easily if you have the skills and work as a contractor in a service company or operator.
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Also you do not necessarily need a formal university degree to become a RIBA accredited Architect either....my Father-in-Law is a retired RIBA Chartered Architect with nothing more formal than an HNC.
I think over the years we have mistaken university degrees for being the be all and end all...when many professions could be provided for using different routes such as industry apprenticeships and targeted vocational schooling......combine both the academic and practical needs into a single program(s)...I know many university programs already do this via internships etc, but it seems modern society has become hung up on having a University Education for almost everything and anything these days.
I know a few old comrades of mine who work as Divers and one as a pilot for the Oil Industry...they make a lot more money than they would in other industries doing the same.
Any other route is painful. BEng isn't too bad as you only need a topup of qualifications. I know of a a few people without either, and it isn't straightforward for them to get the required experience to become chartered because their experience is limited to the field they are in and the work they do. It is not easy at all for them to move around to get the wider experience needed.
Indeed, I did Civil Engineering with Architecture at Southampton, a fairly new course accredited by the ICE, IStructE but not ARB/RIBA. Despite promises that it would be accredited by the latter by the time my year graduates, it never happened due to paperwork and not course content (so I'm told anyway). So, while working as an engineering graduate, in my spare time, I used my university work to prepare a portfolio of work and sat the ARB Part 1 exam independently and passed it. 2 other coursemates did the same as well. One stayed within engineering, the other went on to work within architecture. Granted, in this case, my university work was the basis of my portfolio, it doesn't have to be. Any relevant experience can be used.
Ahh yes, the wonderful world of Subsea.
Normal air divers make good money (I think) but the real money is in saturation diving. Off the top of my head £1400-1700 a day is the ballpark figure.
Not much fun during the 28 days at depth working shifts and living in a pressurised tank. But then 20+ days off to spend the money on cars, hookers and drugs etc
ROV pilots make good money but always seem to complain about how little they make
