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Do we really need a 5090 ?

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If the rumours are to be believed then the 5090 is supposed to be in the region of 70% faster than the 4090 which is already crazy fast.

OK if you're doing CUDA heavy tasks but in reality how many on this forum have that workflow.

For gaming / casual use, are you really going to see a marked improvement in you experience without also upgrading your entire PC eco-system
 
Well 640kb of memory should be enough for everyone!

I think the 5090 is less interesting than what should be the downmarket cards, with pricing what it is, if you're coming from a 20xx or even 30xx card it's going to be a big jump and makes the eye watering pricing less intolerable.

Given those upgrade cycles are getting longer due to pricing, having ridiculous power is a feature not a bug!
 
Yes, because it's probably at least a year away, and we'll have more UE5 games (not forgetting the other unoptimised messes that will just need brute power) that will tax the **** out of GPUs if you want to push everything to the max.

The concern is what happens with pricing, not sure even nVidia's most loyal fans can stomach another generation of the xx80 card being north of £1000 with a massive performance drop off from the xx90 card.
 
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Tale as old as time
True as it can be
Not even announced
Current gen is trounced
Unexpectedly

Just a massive change
Large to say the least
Enthusiasts are scared
Wallets unprepared
Flagship card release

Ever just the same
Ever a surprise
Ever as before
Ever just as sure
As the sun will rise

Tale as old as time
Tune as old as song
Bittersweet and strange
Begging for spare change
Learning you were wrong

Certain as the sun
Rising in the east
Tale as old as time
Song as old as rhyme
Flagship card release


Tale as old as time
Song as old as rhyme
Flagship card release
 
kar said:
Well 640kb of memory should be enough for everyone!

I think the 5090 is less interesting than what should be the downmarket cards, with pricing what it is, if you're coming from a 20xx or even 30xx card it's going to be a big jump and makes the eye watering pricing less intolerable.

Given those upgrade cycles are getting longer due to pricing, having ridiculous power is a feature not a bug!
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Bill GAtes and 640KB Ahh, the old ones are the best. People forget that 640KB was a hardware limitation at the time.

At the end of the day gaming GPUs are a side show to Nvidia now. Real money is in AI cards. I was talking to head of Advanced Computing at a large coy last week and he's fed up with how Nvidia are pretty much gouging on AI cards. Forget negotiating discount for larger buys. More demand than supply with rumours that middle east is stockpiling inventory.
 
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I don't know, I feel like the AI revolution is going to go the same way at the VR and Crypto ones - some utility but much more limited than everything thinks and a longer term play, but there will be some other hype train departing the station before then for Nvidia to hop on board.

This AI hype run has a bit more legs in it though so will have a big impact on Nvidia, AMD and Intel's product maps. All the more reason to hope for very powerful cards as I suspect we'll be living with them for a lot longer than we were used to.
 
Pooh said:
If the rumours are to be believed then the 5090 is supposed to be in the region of 70% faster than the 4090 which is already crazy fast.
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Going from 5nm to 3nm means a 5090 won’t be 70% faster unless they are going to use a larger die than the 4090 uses.

My guess is 5090 will end up around 40% faster then a 4090 with a 5080 being 5-10% faster.
 
Yes otherwise we get lazy Nvidia. No one wants lazy Nvidia.

The 4060Ti is bad enough.

Look back at the 8800 GTX, amazing card but there was no real competition, so they released it again as the 9800 GTX with a die shrink, then again as the GTS 250…
 
Joxeon said:
Going from 5nm to 3nm means a 5090 won’t be 70% faster unless they are going to use a larger die than the 4090 uses.

My guess is 5090 will end up around 40% faster then a 4090 with a 5080 being 5-10% faster.
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Guess that depends on whether Blackwell uses chiplet design or not. Jury seems to be out on that one
 
I think we will start to see a rolling off in uplift required from newer generations of cards due to the levelling out in screen resolution. At the moment people are generally upgrading to compliment higher screen resolutions, 1080, 1440, 4k, but most would accept that 4K is plenty high enough for visual fidelity on a monitor, the jump to 8K for example just isn't required on 27, 30, 32 inch monitors. Obviously games will keep improving visually and place more demand on cards, but the the biggy, the res jump will slow I would think. I expect we will get to a point where huge gen to gen uplift in raster isn't needed and instead more feature adding to cope with new rendering techniques, encoding etc. That said, not sure we are quite there yet, but when the xx60 class cards are pushing decent 4K frame rates, not sure where the xx90 class cards will go.
 
Nvidia will invent another 'must have' feature thats exclusive to the 5000 series, so there will inevitably be many people who are desperate to pick one up for handful of games that support it
 
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Joxeon said:
Going from 5nm to 3nm means a 5090 won’t be 70% faster unless they are going to use a larger die than the 4090 uses.

My guess is 5090 will end up around 40% faster then a 4090 with a 5080 being 5-10% faster.
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40% faster founders 1800
4080 10% faster founders 1300
 
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