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lordrobs · 4 Feb 2007 at 09:57

Scarfacé said:
2) HID Head Lamps, even manufacture ones. Flickering, horrible blue tinge, blind the **** out of me. Even expensive BMW/Audis with factory fitted lights to do this. Aftermarket fitted HID kits are even worse.

I don't have a problem with HID's in general but I think that some of the big brands need to look at the consistancy of the self leveling or something. I was being followed by a 56 plate Audi last week and one light was normal, the other was like having the sun placed directly in line of my rear view mirror

The internal mirror I just flicked the button on the bottom but the wing mirror was burning my retinas out :mad:

BMW X5's / X3's I don't think I've ever seen without annoying eye burners or blue>purple>white>blue>white>purple flickers. Porsche are another one, luckily they are few and far between :mad:

As for the foglights. They rarely bother me but sometimes can be distracting. Personally I'd rather the police focused there attention elsewhere.

lordrobs · 4 Feb 2007 at 10:01

dirtydog said:
Front fogs also help you to be seen in foggy weather. I advise using them, that's what they're for.

I thought they were for very very thick for. Can't see your hand infront of your face type stuff where your dipped headlights just reflect back at you in a white haze. Infact I thought that to get any benefit they were best used with just sidelights so the only beam being cast ahead of you is at ground level therefore not reflecting back at you.

I've only driven in this type of fog for a short stretch once in my 7 years of driving. I was blooming greatful for front fogs when I did though.

dirtydog · 4 Feb 2007 at 10:02

Duke said:
Two types of people drive with fog lamps on during normal conditions:

a) Chavs in hatchbacks (with a few kevs & barrys in the back usually)
b) Simpletons (who just don't really fully understand the concept of driving, what is around them etc).

At least you admit you did wrong, I just hope more people get fined

You missed out c) BMW drivers

dirtydog · 4 Feb 2007 at 10:04

lordrobs said:
I thought they were for very very thick for. Can't see your hand infront of your face type stuff where your dipped headlights just reflect back at you in a white haze. Infact I thought that to get any benefit they were best used with just sidelights so the only beam being cast ahead of you is at ground level therefore not reflecting back at you.

I've only driven in this type of fog for a short stretch once in my 7 years of driving. I was blooming greatful for front fogs when I did though.

Please don't turn into one of those morons who drives in thick fog with sidelights

I do think they help the driver to see better in thick fog, but that is debatable; what they definitely do is help you to be seen sooner, which in such conditions can make the difference between having a crash and not having one.

lordrobs · 4 Feb 2007 at 10:17

dirtydog said:
Please don't turn into one of those morons who drives in thick fog with sidelights

I do think they help the driver to see better in thick fog, but that is debatable; what they definitely do is help you to be seen sooner, which in such conditions can make the difference between having a crash and not having one.

As I said they type of fog I was talking about I've only ever experienced once in 7 years.

At the end of the day driving down a country road I'd rather be able to pick out the road ahead rather than drive into a big white ball of light. In terms of people being able to see me my fog lights have 60W bulbs. If I had a car without them fitted I'd be driving with 55W dipped headlights so minimal differance in people being able to pick me out IMO.

Sorry but I just don't agree with you on what their purpose is, if they were to help you be seen they wouldn't be located as low as they are. The reason they are that low is to light your path without reflecting back at eye level.

Gribs · 4 Feb 2007 at 11:45

dirtydog said:
Front fogs also help you to be seen in foggy weather. I advise using them, that's what they're for.

No they're not. They're to light the road imediately in front of you if the fogs so thick that your normal lights just bounce back and make visibility worse. As they throw light at such close range in front of the car they're only really useful up to about 20mph.

dirtydog · 4 Feb 2007 at 11:49

Fair enough

I do think they help you to be seen as well, but I don't have any scientific proof for that. I do think that it is easier to see other cars in thick fog who have their front fogs on, versus those who don't. eg. when you are sitting at a junction waiting to pull out, it helps to be able to see other cars as early as possible.

Bri · 4 Feb 2007 at 12:19

My fogs are built into the headlight units, they do throw the light low down & also illuminate the sides of the road quite nicely. I do use them in conjunction with main beam on deserted country roads sometimes as it illuminates the edges of the roads more effectively. More vision at night on unlit, deserted roads is a good thing IMO

Guybrush · 4 Feb 2007 at 12:27

The fad I have noticed more and more recently is for people to drive around at night with no headlights on whatsoever, just fogs :rolleyes:

dirtydog · 4 Feb 2007 at 12:30

Guybrush said:
The fad I have noticed more and more recently is for people to drive around at night with no headlights on whatsoever, just fogs

I imagine they must have their sidelights on (which can be so dim as to be almost invisible) or the fogs would not come on

Nobody should be driving with sidelights however.

Guybrush · 4 Feb 2007 at 12:45

Yeah I suppose so. Can't see the sidelights though with the foglights blaring away.

zain · 4 Feb 2007 at 12:48

A pute me FOUG LEETZ ON IN ME 3K BE-*** WIT DA BLIN £13.99 WEELZ!

I find it annoying when they leave their fog lights on to show off; mainly BMW and Mini drivers

- Why do it in the day though!?

cymatty · 4 Feb 2007 at 13:32

paradigm said:

Eh I meant i put them on when I am driving on a dark unlit country lane where you would usually put your full beams on I put my fogs on, and I turn them off when something comes the other way so :rolleyes:

to you.

[TW]Fox · 4 Feb 2007 at 18:06

cymatty said:
Eh I meant i put them on when I am driving on a dark unlit country lane where you would usually put your full beams on I put my fogs on, and I turn them off when something comes the other way so to you.

I still don't really get why people do this - I tried it the other day and it really doesn't actually make any difference. All it does is make the area immediatly in front of the car REALLY bright, you can't actually SEE anything extra you couldnt see before, its just brighter.

Whereas full beam on an empty road makes a HUGE difference, far more than foglights.

Nathan · 4 Feb 2007 at 18:10

[TW]Fox said:
I still don't really get why people do this - I tried it the other day and it really doesn't actually make any difference. All it does is make the area immediatly in front of the car REALLY bright, you can't actually SEE anything extra you couldnt see before, its just brighter.

Whereas full beam on an empty road makes a HUGE difference, far more than foglights.

I agree. I tried it down my country road and it makes the area in front *about 1 meter brighter. Bit pants compared to full beam. My fogs never get used unless its, well foggy

Nor · 4 Feb 2007 at 18:20

Nathan said:
I agree. I tried it down my country road and it makes the area in front *about 1 meter brighter. Bit pants compared to full beam. My fogs never get used unless its, well foggy

Do you find that fog lights help you see better in the fog?

cymatty · 4 Feb 2007 at 18:25

[TW]Fox said:
I still don't really get why people do this - I tried it the other day and it really doesn't actually make any difference. All it does is make the area immediatly in front of the car REALLY bright, you can't actually SEE anything extra you couldnt see before, its just brighter.

Whereas full beam on an empty road makes a HUGE difference, far more than foglights.

I only tried it a few times on roads where sheeps and small animals run out having the area 30m in front really brights helps as it illuminates the side of the road where the darn things hide lol.

[TW]Fox · 4 Feb 2007 at 18:30

cymatty said:
I only tried it a few times on roads where sheeps and small animals run out having the area 30m in front really brights helps as it illuminates the side of the road where the darn things hide lol.

Threre is no way your foglights make the road 30m in front of you very bright. It lights up a metre or two in front of your car, tops. And it doesn't show you anything you cant already see from your headlights.

It's also nothing like your full beam.

cymatty · 4 Feb 2007 at 18:32

[TW]Fox said:
It's also nothing like your full beam.

I never said it was.

Ok maybe 30m was a slight exaggeration but like I said in certain circumstances I prefer it.

Nathan · 4 Feb 2007 at 18:37

Nor said:
Do you find that fog lights help you see better in the fog?

Your argument is about to fail because I do it for visability for other drivers. :rolleyes: