Poll: Does 0.99 Recurring = 1

Does 0.99 Recurring = 1

  • Yes

    Votes: 225 42.5%
  • No

    Votes: 304 57.5%

  • Total voters
    529
Status
Not open for further replies.
Originally posted by w11tho
Are you being serious - or are you extracting the urine? You say that 4+3=7 is obvious (it's based on defentions), but 1=0.9r is wrong based on the same defentions.

I thought we'd all agreed that 0.9r isn't a number?

4 and 3 both are.

Originally posted by AlphaNumeric
Given you've met me, you should be aware I'm not a "maths head", it isn't the be all and end all of my personality.

I didn't define maths head as someone entirely living in the world of maths. Unfortunately, the maths heads in the two appropriate threads have been doing this.



Thankyou.

Originally posted by w11tho
Not really - but it all gets quite deep I think. They are basically the 'laws' we work with. As I said - google is your friend.

:)

So its not a law but it is a law. Well worded
icon14.gif
 
Originally posted by w11tho
Are you being serious - or are you extracting the urine? You say that 4+3=7 is obvious (it's based on defentions), but 1=0.9r is wrong based on the same defentions.

yes and it makes perfect sense.

count 4 fingers then count 3 fingers it eqauls 7 no 2 ways about it.

Now say that finger losses 1 skin cell. That finger is no longer hole, it might as well be a hole finger but its not. you would have to add that cell back to the finger before it comes hole again.

Same as 0.9r theres a part missing infinetly small but still missing with out adding that tiny iny weany bit back it cant be 1
 
Originally posted by Gilly
Of course you can, and thats what we're doing.
Philosophically *or* mathematically I have no problems with using infinity as a construct, in the same way that I have no problems using zero or Pi. I have no problems using the set of natural numbers, which was a contrivance by mathematicians to make things easier to count.

I have no problems using negative numbers (after all, how can you have a negative amount of something?) but mathematics becomes quite difficult if you do have problems with them.

Addition, subtraction, multiplication and division are all mathematical constructs that serve to simplify our understanding of the universe.

Calculus is used absolutely everywhere - calculations of volume, mass, velocity, acceleration. To prove that calculus actually works, relies on constructs such as infinity and zero. Calculus is itself a convenience.

Our understanding of the universe is based around conveniences. For some, God is a convenient way to explain how and why things work. As humans we create these conveniences in an attempt to explain things we know (from experimentation) to be true. Infinity is just one such convenience for mathematicians.

It may one day be proven that infinity is not consistent, and has no place in our understanding of the universe. But until that happens, we must make these assumptions and use these conveniences otherwise we will not move forward. We *need* people to challenge the assumptions we make, but we also need them to provide solid arguments as to why the construct is flawed. Just saying "I don't like it" isn't good enough. As yet, nobody has come up with a good alternative to infinity to explain the things we have observed to hold true (such as calculus).
 
Originally posted by Gilly
I thought we'd all agreed that 0.9r isn't a number?
Yes it is. As I said its a "Real Number", defined by its infinite sum. On Mathworld, go to "Real Numbers" and you'll get an explaination as to why 0.9r is real.

xyphic, another great post :)
 
Originally posted by VDO
This has been gone through in the previous thread. Would you really like me to copy/paste the posts, rekindle the argument and take us all back to square 1?

don't you mean square 0.9999r?

;)

i vote no, 1 equals 1, nothing else.
 
Originally posted by VDO
I don't suppose you'd mind telling us what's between 0.9r and 1, then?

Thats the problem the current model of maths can not cope with this type of reacuring number. By diffention there is nothing between .9r and 1 cos the 9 is reacurring again ill say it its infinte never ending EVER.

Its the model of maths that is wrong.

0.9r does not eqaul 1
 
Originally posted by VDO
So tell us what part that would be! What is missing?

ok i now it hard to see but can you not cope with the possability of efinity??? it never ends so you can never pick a number. Hence why the maths model just ignores it and says it = 1. If you didnt have that round up maths would fall over.
 
Originally posted by AcidHell2
Thats the problem the current model of maths can not cope with this type of reacuring number.
Thats tosh. Its a perfectly usable number.

Acid, you're walking into ground which is populated by the giants of maths, Cauchy, Riemann, Gauss. I suggest you email Professor Korner in Trinity Hall, Cambridge and tell him that maths can't cope with 0.9r. He'll quite happily (I assume) explain your fundamental error.
 
Originally posted by VDO
0.01r does not mean 0.0...01 - that would be silly.

In any case, as there are an infinite number of zeroes, there would be no one at the end.

I did not say it did! I just said I expected there would be a similar shorthand way to express it. I am happy to take the maths heads at their word that there is not.

True enough but as with 0.9r, it is in the abstract that we are discussing it. :)
 
Originally posted by gambitt
0.99r = 1 has been proven using basic mathematical algebra, namely:

x = 0.99r
10x = 9.99r
10x - x = 9
x = 1

this is proof uses the most fundemental rules of algebra (multiplying, dividing and subtracting). If you chose to believe that 0.99r does not equal 1, then you are also stating that the most basic rules in mathematics are in fact wrong! Quite a bold statement to make, is it not?


thats fair enough but I never said i was arguing the mathmatical side of the argument did I ?

Philosophically I dont think 0.9r = 1

by the way why do u use 0.99r ?

is it because if you use 0.9r it doesnt fit the equation ?

x = 0.9r
10x = 9
10 x-x = 8.1

x = 0.8r
 
Last edited:
Originally posted by Deadly Ferret
I did not say it did! I just said I expected there would be a similar shorthand way to express it. I am happy to take the maths heads at their word that there is not.

True enough but as with 0.9r, it is in the abstract that we are discussing it. :)
I was suprised you didn't see why there wouldn't exist any shorthand. But ho-hum, guess it wasn't quite as obvious a contradiction as I thought.

:o
 
Originally posted by AlphaNumeric
Thats tosh. Its a perfectly usable number.

Acid, you're walking into ground which is populated by the giants of maths, Cauchy, Riemann, Gauss. I suggest you email Professor Korner in Trinity Hall, Cambridge and tell him that maths can't cope with 0.9r. He'll quite happily (I assume) explain your fundamental error.

whatever they said it would not explain it.
i have no problem with things that never end taht just go on and on and on for ever, its a relativley simple concept human minds just cant get there heads around it.

1 is a hole number

o.9r isnt and never can be.
 
Originally posted by AcidHell2
By diffention there is nothing between .9r and 1 cos the 9 is reacurring again ill say it its infinte never ending EVER
I'll assume you mean "by definition" ;)
If there is nothing between .9r and 1, then .9r IS 1!

Originally posted by -westy-
don't you mean square 0.9999r?
Beaten to it ages ago ;)

Originally posted by -westy-
i vote no, 1 equals 1, nothing else.
Beaten to that too.

So 0.5*2, 8/8, 3-2, etc. do not equal 1?

Dang it, power cuts are not conducive to internet debates. I have to keep running out every 2.99r minutes to switch on the generator :mad:
 
Originally posted by w11tho
Woah! It's definitely a number!

I thought that we were all in agreement that infinity is no more than an abstraction. A convenience rather than a quantifiable number. This wasn't contested in the other thread. Did you miss it or change your mind?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom