Does high CFM = better?

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Does CFM = better? or does flow rate = better?

I'm looking to get a new AIO

Am looking at the Alphacool Eisebear (original and LT) and Artic freezer 2

I have a fractal r6 case putting the artic freezer in the top will hit my RAM so I would have to put the fans on the other side of the radiator and put it in the front, I should have any problems with the Alphacool
 
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fan manufacturers don't use the same test to measure CFM/static pressure so you can't really compare two fans directly on numbers alone. The numbers given are normally also at max RPM where people generally don't run their fans day to day.

I'd put it at the front anyway as an intake but if you want a top mounted unit then the arctic isn't going to fit. You have two positions you can fit it in at the top do you not so it would be further to the front of the case?

Cooling by the unit is determined by more than just fans and flow rate.
 
fan manufacturers don't use the same test to measure CFM/static pressure so you can't really compare two fans directly on numbers alone. The numbers given are normally also at max RPM where people generally don't run their fans day to day.

I'd put it at the front anyway as an intake but if you want a top mounted unit then the arctic isn't going to fit. You have two positions you can fit it in at the top do you not so it would be further to the front of the case?

Cooling by the unit is determined by more than just fans and flow rate.

Thanks.

I've seen a thread elsewhere with someone with the 280 version and they can't fit it in the top regardless of what they do. The 360mm version will fit in the front. I'll have to remove the fans and put them on the other side because of how the tubes are from the radiator. Not sure if I should do push or pull. Will move case fans to top as exhaust.
 
Think CFM as car's top speed in free fall when dropped from airplane and static pressure as amount of noise car's engine can make hood open with gear at neutral and sitting in parking lot.
That's how well they measure real world performance.
Both can be better than in another fan, which actually performs better:
https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress....w-specs-are-poor-measures-of-fan-performance/

Noise would be then another factor.
Some fans have smoother sound profile while some (NF-F12) have spiky profile with nasty tones in it.
Arctic P12 PWM is very good fan, especially when considering price.
 
Think CFM as car's top speed in free fall when dropped from airplane and static pressure as amount of noise car's engine can make hood open with gear at neutral and sitting in parking lot.
That's how well they measure real world performance.
Both can be better than in another fan, which actually performs better:
https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress....w-specs-are-poor-measures-of-fan-performance/

Noise would be then another factor.
Some fans have smoother sound profile while some (NF-F12) have spiky profile with nasty tones in it.
Arctic P12 PWM is very good fan, especially when considering price.

Thanks.

Considering how the artic is laid out with the one power cable is it going to be possible to move the fans to the other way around so they are pulling air through the radiator or on the other side of the radiator so they are pushing air through it?
 
fans in Push need higher static pressure (also depending on Fin Per Inch on the Rad - alphacool is lower due to being copper) , in Pull static pressure doesn't matter and its Airflow

back in the days of TJ07 builds, gaskets were the norm on rads to get better airflow coverage
 
fans in Push need higher static pressure (also depending on Fin Per Inch on the Rad - alphacool is lower due to being copper) , in Pull static pressure doesn't matter and its Airflow

back in the days of TJ07 builds, gaskets were the norm on rads to get better airflow coverage

Thanks from all the installs I've seen on the artic it is top mounted with the fans pushing the air out through the radiator but I can't top mount it so if I put it in the front am I right in saying it won't matter if I have them in push or pull?
 
Thanks from all the installs I've seen on the artic it is top mounted with the fans pushing the air out through the radiator but I can't top mount it so if I put it in the front am I right in saying it won't matter if I have them in push or pull?

I tend to fit which ever fits, or looks the best ! depends on the case
 
in Pull static pressure doesn't matter and its Airflow
Airflow impedance causes back pressure equally regardless if its in front of, or behind the fan.
And if fan can't create pressure to overcome back pressure, it won't contribute in any way to airflow.

Just like putting some 1V voltage source in series with 10V voltage source doesn't increase ability to push current through circuit's resistance much any.
But add another 10V source and current doubles...
And if all you have is that 1V voltage source, current will be always lower... Unless you add 10 of them in series.
 
Thanks from all the installs I've seen on the artic it is top mounted with the fans pushing the air out through the radiator but I can't top mount it so if I put it in the front am I right in saying it won't matter if I have them in push or pull?

I have Arctic P14's on my rads and have had them in both push and pull and to be honest there is barely any difference between either orientation.
 
I tend to fit which ever fits, or looks the best ! depends on the case

It's the design of the artic freezer which is the the problem. It comes ready made so you just have to fit it in the case and where the tubes come out mean if I fit in the case at the front it would be an exhaust so I either flip the fans around or put them on the other side (If possible)
 
I have Arctic P14's on my rads and have had them in both push and pull and to be honest there is barely any difference between either orientation.
Only difference in restriction like heatsink/rad being in behind or front of the fan is in airflow pattern.
Getting same total airflow needs generating equally much pressure in either case.
 
Airflow impedance causes back pressure equally regardless if its in front of, or behind the fan.
And if fan can't create pressure to overcome back pressure, it won't contribute in any way to airflow.

Just like putting some 1V voltage source in series with 10V voltage source doesn't increase ability to push current through circuit's resistance much any.
But add another 10V source and current doubles...
And if all you have is that 1V voltage source, current will be always lower... Unless you add 10 of them in series.

Thanks for the info
 
Only difference in restriction like heatsink/rad being in behind or front of the fan is in airflow pattern.
Getting same total airflow needs generating equally much pressure in either case.

I take it to get the fans as intake I just turn them to face the opposite way to how they come installed?
 
I take it to get the fans as intake I just turn them to face the opposite way to how they come installed?
Fans always blow toward side center hub/motor's supports are.
So from front of the case you'll want to see fan blades first and from rear of the case motor/its supports.
And basically same if you have heatsink/radiator in between push-pull fan config.
 
Airflow impedance causes back pressure equally regardless if its in front of, or behind the fan.
And if fan can't create pressure to overcome back pressure, it won't contribute in any way to airflow.

Just like putting some 1V voltage source in series with 10V voltage source doesn't increase ability to push current through circuit's resistance much any.
But add another 10V source and current doubles...
And if all you have is that 1V voltage source, current will be always lower... Unless you add 10 of them in series.

I just go with that alphacool and EKWB staff/friends told me in the past/current when designing their rads (reason why alpha has rad in pull on their extreme aio) . XSPC echo the same, but then again their rads a low FPS in copper.

100% of the time its the damn case - rip off the top and top panel :D or just get silverstone down to top airflow case and sorted :D
 
I just go with that alphacool and EKWB staff/friends told me in the past/current when designing their rads (reason why alpha has rad in pull on their extreme aio)
One thing which certainly differs between sides of the fan is airflow pattern and having airflow along as much of rad surface as possible would be certainly good thing.
In heatsinks airflow can spread itself between fins, but radiator has like lots of small separate "cells" for airflow.
 
Fans always blow toward side center hub/motor's supports are.
So from front of the case you'll want to see fan blades first and from rear of the case motor/its supports.
And basically same if you have heatsink/radiator in between push-pull fan config.

so I want the fants to be blowing through the radiator when its at the front?
 
Basically, all you ever need to know about fans is:
1/. martinsliquidlab
2/. Buy the Arctic P12 PWM fan.

At least, I'm 'reliably informed' that's all you need to know, since it gets trotted out so often... :p

While there is some vague truth to the above, the whole story and the bigger picture is often ignored. What Martin's Liquid Lab actually says is that the CFM and mm/H2O stats are not the only thing that defines how good a fan is... and while they do give a good indication to start with and are a useful comparison point, they don't always have precisely mapped curves that may give a fuller picture of what you're dealing with.

He also mentions "Real World" performance, which he decides is 1500rpm... That's mid-range for some fans, but actually beyond max-range for some others...
Even with my own 360 rad, each fan (all three same make/model, of course) performs slightly differently due to the location in the case and the slight variances in manufacturing. In general they are pretty silent until I start nudging 2000rpm, yet another fan of the exact same make/model put on my rear exhaust grille (with larger holes and far less restriction) makes an absolute racket above 1200. Another two at the front, again of the very same fans, perform better because the rad is thinner but are noisy above 1800 because the air spreads sooner and reverberates around the (empty) drive bay.
But this "Real World" stuff is at 1500rpm and each of my fan groups runs at different speeds, depending on the situation. When I ran different models of fan, the difference between rpms was even wider, and when I used rads with different 'Fins Per Inch' counts it was wider still... and for the record, I ran all my Noctuas and Gentle Typhoons at max revs all the time.

But all that aside, he does point out that even these lovely curves are only done in the "open air" with no restrictions, so again not the full picture.
What matters most is how any given fan performs when paired with a particular radiator, in a particular case, with whatever particular components it might have inside. There are so many unique factors that affect your fan that it's pretty impossible to predict.... otherwise this would be an exact science and all fans would be awesome.

You want a decent amount of airflow, with a decent static pressure to force it through, all with noise low enough for your particular preferences, and so it's really finding yourself a balance between all three of these measures. Most of the time it's a case of just trying different fans until you're happy.


But to answer your question:
1/. CFM is how much air the fan can move.
2/. mm/H2O is how much force it uses to push that airflow through a restriction.

It doesn't matter how high CFM is, if it doesn't also have enough mm/H2O push it. High CFM is like a strongman who can wrap their arms round the biggest Atlas stone, but pairing that with low mm/H2O is the equivalent of always skipping Leg Day!
So in short, a high CFM is good, but only if you have a high enough mm/H2O to balance it. Too high on either can cause a compression stall and actually prevent the fan from performing as well as it should. But again, try it and see... Same for fans is Push or Pull. There should be very little difference in noise and performance between them (except that Pull traps less dust), but it's worth trying both out. Same for whether you have them set to intake or exhaust.
 
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