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Does Intel WANT people to hate them??

The problem with Intel is they want people to think they are the premium brand.

Intel never lower prices, if they are not selling what they do instead rebrand products and re-release them at a lower price pretending it's a new product.

Streamering is a very big thing at the moment, apparently, and streamers love the Ryzen 3900X, that's what they tell their audience and in turn the whole mindshare around the Ryzen brand is glowing with a new generation of PC gamers, Intel know this and the 10900K just doesn't cut it for these streamers, A its not as good as the 3900X for streaming and B its too expensive, so the rumours are Intel are releasing a new 10 core CPU, its exactly the same as the 10900K but cheaper and it will be called the 10850K or some crap like that, they think that way they can better compete with AMD while keeping the more expensive CPU's which they think portrays them as the premium brand.

In fact those streamers just think Intel are uncool snobs whose CPU aren't as good as Ryzen.

Forget about the past, AMD are targeting a new generation and for as much as we the old guard criticize their marketing they are hugely successful, Ryzen are cool. Even the name "Ryzen" and the packaging is cool. "Core i" in stuffy blue boxes.... WTF is that ####?
 
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Superman is cool, even he likes Ryzen.


The problem Intel have is they have an establishment stuffiness about them, the way we think of Intel is not the same way the new generation think of Intel.

This is deliberate on AMD's part and once the new consoles get release AMD will go into marketing overdrive mode building their brand mindshare......
 
humbug said:
Superman is cool, even he likes Ryzen.


The problem Intel have is they have an establishment stuffiness about them, the way we think of Intel is not the same way the new generation think of Intel.

This is deliberate on AMD's part and once the new consoles get release AMD will go into marketing overdrive mode building their brand mindshare......
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I hope AMD start going with "Gaming PCs, from the people that power Playstation and Xbox".
 
Edward78 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skry6cKyz50 god Intel why???
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how dare you!!!! making me click a linux techtwit video.

the most annoying person on the internet, became rich as hell yet his videos are mostly one long advert full of smaller adverts.

he's greedy as can be for dem monies, Used to actually like the guy when he was a 1 man show sat on the street somewhere unboxing whatever pc component.
 
I don't think Intel cares about enthuisasts tbh. It's a niche market. They're recording record profits from selling in bulk to IT depts. and server farms. Their chips may appear lacking in crucial areas to us, but IT managers don't like change, because things can break when you change parts.

Their long term future is less certain. How long can AMD and TSMC maintain their process and design advantage? A potentially bigger question is what happens if Apple makes a success of their transistion from X86 to ARM, will Microsoft work with Qualcomm or another party to pull a similar move and decouple Windows from X86 and make a more serious push for ARM? Linus Torvalds recently moved from Intel to AMD, but hinted he's very open to ARM, Linux dominates in the backend server market, and with news last month that the world's fastest supercomputer Fugaku runs on ARM, there are potentially real threats to Intel's core business on the horizen, but which isn't us.
 
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Grim5 said:
Linus hates AVX-512 so its no surprise he hates Intel
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I don't know if he hates Intel, his move appeared to be motivated by disspointment with their products, I think he got a 3970x, but I'm not familiar with his views on AVX-512, so you might be right. He hates a lot of companies, like nVidia, I love his openess and honesty, even though he's notoriously difficult to work for, he's a legend.
 
This is what he recently said when asked about it:

I hope AVX-512 dies a painful death, and that Intel starts fixing real problems instead of trying to create magic instructions to then benchmark that they try to look good on.

I hope Intel gets back to basics: gets their process working again, and concentrate more on regular code that isn't a pointless special case.

I'd much rather see that transistor budget used on other things that are much more relevant - just give me more cores like AMD has.

I want my power limits to be reached with regular integer code, not with some AVX-512 power virus that takes away top cpu frequency and takes away cores (because those useless AVX-512 garbage units take up space on the die)
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Grim5 said:
This is what he recently said when asked about it:
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I can see where he's coming from. Intel develops interesting conceptual technology like AVX-512, however you feel about it in practice, but they've lost track on the basics that make a good CPU, and using tech like AVX-512 to cover those failings. I think i read they started using deceptive benchmarks again recently where they hooked the AMD processor to a weaker GPU and hoped no one would notice. It's just sad, and inexplicable given they've been caught out before. Very odd decision making. That said, Intel got off lightly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ
 
Grim5 said:
This is what he recently said when asked about it:
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He's not wrong, generic computing and the average user benefits very little from AVX-512, it doesn't need to be on every CPU out there. But it has very good use cases though for its own niche use cases.

CPUs have to specialise, there's no way around it. Average power users benefit more from extra generic cores while hardware acceleration of certain type of tasks is super important but only benefits a small number of users. All options should be in the market so that people can buy the product that's particularly suited to their needs.
 
iSaff said:
I don't think Intel cares about enthuisasts tbh. It's a niche market. They're recording record profits from selling in bulk to IT depts. and server farms. Their chips may appear lacking in crucial areas to us, but IT managers don't like change, because things can break when you change parts.
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Case in point all the PC's for the entire local authority sites (libraries, childrens centres, admin, you name it) all recently upgraded their PC's from elderly Intel Dell's with Win7 to shiny new Win10 and... Dell's with Intel cpu's.

I doubt anyone outside of the IT dept has even heard of AMD and probably care even less they see the Intel sticker on the side and all's well with the world.
 
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