Erm, well considering those are the only two groups of people likely to own them and make them dangerous, probably the most common sense thing to do would be to ban them.
Does something need to be done about dogs?
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Looks like a dog of peace wasn't happy with the lack of attention:
FML I think I need to say it again; this isn't monocausal, that there's influence from a dog's environment doesn't negate that there are behavioural traits associated with breeds.
Also, you seem quite muddled re: that last part, that these traits vary is literally the point! See the top part of this chart, see the entry for "Akita", see "dog aggression"... note how it is high:
Thus you have the obvious conundrum you still can't address, you're happy to acknowledge differing behavioural traits when it suits you and ascribe some explanation but then simultaneously try to claim some blank slate position re: XL Bullies.
FML I think I need to say it again; this isn't monocausal, that there's influence from a dog's environment doesn't negate that there are behavioural traits associated with breeds.
Also, you seem quite muddled re: that last part, that these traits vary is literally the point! See the top part of this chart, see the entry for "Akita", see "dog aggression"... note how it is high:
Thus you have the obvious conundrum you still can't address, you're happy to acknowledge differing behavioural traits when it suits you and ascribe some explanation but then simultaneously try to claim some blank slate position re: XL Bullies.
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Talk to anyone who does (professional) dog grooming - there are common triggers which have very high prevalence in certain breeds, completely aren't a problem with other breeds, etc. there will be some impact there from environment and how well they were trained, etc. but they'll know straight away to avoid certain things with certain breeds.
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I'm sure there will be no downsides to these people in Scotland taking in Bully XLs: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667
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If you mean ban the humans, then yes... Since they're the deciding factor in an overwhelming majority of serious dog attack incidents, the sensible thing to do would indeed be to prohibit the unsuitable kind from owning dogs.
Since banning everyone from ownership would be highly prejudicial, you'd have to assess individual suitability through licencing, which for the majority of cases would essentially just mean making existing dog training classes mandatory. Other factors would easily be taken into account, such as whether the owner is sufficiently able-bodied, or has a prior record of dog abuse. Mechanisms even exist for things like ongoing inspection of living conditions, which would require only a modest increase in enforcement powers, all of which can be funded by licencing fees.
And here's why the contradition you're bleating about is entirely of your own making...
Association does not equate to causation, which is the mistake you insist on perpetuating.
Association requires that at least two variables correlate, yet for all your witter against monocausality, you focus your assertions on just the one variable.
People assume ancestrally functional behaviours are synonymous with modern breed, but that is only vaguely accurate.
Your further exacerbate the situation with things like this:
Firstly, you're citing a study limited to pedigree examples as representative of breed, which as you know excludes up to 90% of the wider breed, so is hardly representative.
Secondly, you've seen that within-breen variances are of similar levels to between-breed variances when you include that other 90%.
Thirdly, you're failing to understand the pretty pictures you're waving about - This is about heritability, which you have yet to grasp...
The chart entry to which you refer is a breed-average scoring taken from a study that examines why certain behavours are shared across closed-breeding populations of seemingly unrelated breeds.
Your study admits it didn't even collect both phenotypic and genotypic data from the same subjects!
As for plotted trait variance on the left, this is heritability and dog aggression barely scores over 0.5 between breeds. This means that almost half of that variance is due to environmental factors.
The within-breed variance for that same trait is down to 0.2, meaning roughly 80% of the variance is due to environmental influence.
The conundrum is again of your own making.
Of course I acknowledge that behavioural traits differ, but I do not classify those differences by breed, which is where you are getting confused.
You're further complicating the issue by taking a system of closed-breeding analysis and applying it to a group of dogs that has been very widely bred.
Aside from the phenotypical elements, the most defining aspect of an XLB is how environmentally malleable it is - That's temperament and not a genetic behaviour, nor is it breed specific, even though it's what most influences the dogs' behaviour.
In short, you're assuming that all dogs are True Scotsmen, where most of them are not true and where the XLBs are the very antithesis.
No, as in the animal that can be made dangerous from these sorts of people are to be banned. You cannot police everyone's home's and their ability to a human or animal.
This is why the animal breed needs to be banned. You cannot police every aspect of owning a dog, if you can then there will be another black market for the animals.
Dont suppose you are aware of the state of private lettings living conditions and even some council owned properties being unsuitable.
Or the armed forces owned homes too.
Mechanisms for checking exist, but the mechanisms for repair or removal do not actually occur. So again your checks become worthless and pointless, undertaken by someone just wanting to complete their job for the day and go home. Sounds sensible.
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We already police ownership and operation of cars, firearms, boats, radios, and plenty of other things.
And it's not everyone - You only need to police the percentage who want to legally own, or who have been found in illegal possession of, a dog.
With the funding and legal powers to police it, the likelihood of punishment will reduce the black market viability. It's currently the lower chances of repercussion that emboldens people to ignore existing legislation anyway.
I'm talking about animal welfare checks, primarily facilitated by the likes of the RSPCA and public reporting. An expansion of those is all that's needed.
The mechanisms for repair or removal of property or tenants are beyond the scope of this role, though, and the onus to resolve such issues is entirely on whoever wants to own a dog. They have to provide a suitable environment, as part of being a responsible owner.
I dunno... could reduce the stupid people a bit.
Was in a pub today, quite an upmarket place I guess, gastro pub. Some old coffin dodger with some white little rat under the table starts making some horrendous screeching noise.
I turned around and said "shut your ******* dog up" pub went silent, including the dog.
Much better I thought, and carried on eating my dinner.
I turned around and said "shut your ******* dog up" pub went silent, including the dog.
Much better I thought, and carried on eating my dinner.
All dogs should require a Muzzle and must be on a lead by law in any public places.
The other night for example I was walking across a public footpath that goes between 2 neglected green spaces.
This dog comes running at me, the owner starts running behind it.
The dog starts jumping up me and the owner basically does nothing...... for the next few minutes this stupid dog is constantly running and like head butting me.
I should have turned around and blasted it like a football.
I've seen the owner before and I'll see him again the next time I'm just going do what I have to do...
I wasn't even that bothered at the time but I got 2 streets away into the light and noticed my jeans were totally covered in muddy dog paws and my trainers.
TAKE CARE OF YOUR DAMN DOGS
The other night for example I was walking across a public footpath that goes between 2 neglected green spaces.
This dog comes running at me, the owner starts running behind it.
The dog starts jumping up me and the owner basically does nothing...... for the next few minutes this stupid dog is constantly running and like head butting me.
I should have turned around and blasted it like a football.
I've seen the owner before and I'll see him again the next time I'm just going do what I have to do...
I wasn't even that bothered at the time but I got 2 streets away into the light and noticed my jeans were totally covered in muddy dog paws and my trainers.
TAKE CARE OF YOUR DAMN DOGS
Correct.
You cant expect public money to be used for attending to owners of dangerous animals. It’s equally unreasonable to expect the RSPCA to perform welfare checks on these animals.
Firearms, cars etc aren’t going to suddenly decide to shoot or run a person over and we don’t police them either.
Things that never happened.
Did everyone start clapping?
No, wife wasn't particularly impressed but she got over it.
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Nothing like a bit of animal cruelty. Cretins.
Maybe someone comes up to you moaning about your kids making too much noise, I guess its ok then if they boot them across the room?(blah blah something about dogs not the same as humans, it still makes you an absolute helm)
Imagine being headbutted by a dog(lol), maybe don't wave your arms around like you are directing traffic?
Maybe someone comes up to you moaning about your kids making too much noise, I guess its ok then if they boot them across the room?(blah blah something about dogs not the same as humans, it still makes you an absolute helm)
Imagine being headbutted by a dog(lol), maybe don't wave your arms around like you are directing traffic?
I carried on walking normally with my arms by my side, it kept following me and dive bombing into me.
literally taking a run up and just tying to jump through me.....
you can hardly compare it to a child making a bit of noise and I'm sure everyone on this forum would attempt to calm the child