Does the S2000 have traction control?

JRS · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:51

merlin said:
Tiresome.

I'll leave you guys to sharpen your keyboards.

Aw come on merlin, it was no worse than your pop at American drivers

merlin · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:53

JRS said:
Aw come on merlin, it was no worse than your pop at American drivers

Your bait tastes the same.

Throw me something with a bit more spice.

Will Gill · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:58

s2k's covered in madras sauce have the worst engines in a so called sports car

Fusion · 11 Oct 2006 at 13:00

D4VE said:
have you caught a bus recently?

Buses have big 6-cylinder diesel engines. Lots of torque.

Simon · 11 Oct 2006 at 13:38

Will Gill said:
s2k's covered in madras sauce have the worst engines in a so called sports car

Best 2.0 litre engine in the world.

You must have been changing gear at 7k rpm. I've come from a torquey 2.0 turbo to mine and now I'm used to the power delivery it is not a problem. It makes the same torque off Vtec as any other 2.0litre and then loads more when the Vtec comes in

Americans are used to torquey engines, hence Honda made a more torquey version and call it the AP2 S2000 with the F22. Lower revs so longer gears and so the F22 is no faster than a F20.

Infact many of the americans on the s2ki forums prefer the F20 (AP1)

Traction control was added to the 2006 models. This has a switch though so you can turn it off

nicRob · 11 Oct 2006 at 13:44

I don't think Will would be changing gear at 7k rpm (having seen him driving S2000, and being a passenger in the P1....)

Demon · 11 Oct 2006 at 13:54

I have to admit that the only reason I wouldn't ever buy an S2000 is the engine..

It's not the 'on the boil' performance, that's a real hoot, it's the 'driving it around normally' performance that ruins it for me. It really is exactly as Will Gill says, you are cruising along a back road in 6th at 50MPH, and a hill looms up.. in 99% of cars, you'd just give it a little more throttle and you'd maintain the speed easily, in the S2000 it just dies, it's akin to a 125cc 2 stroke motorbike..

It makes the same torque off Vtec as any other 2.0litre and then loads more when the Vtec comes in

It must be the gearing them, because when I've test driven the S2000 on the same roads I normally use, I've never been in any normal 2.0 car that I've been doing 50/60 in top and had to change down to 4th to maintain speed on moderate inclines.

It's not just a VTEC Vs Turbo argument either, the CTR has a much better spread of torque, and although it struggles a bit at lower revs it can at least take a moderate incline in it's stride when cruising..

It's a shame for me, as I really really love the look of the S2000, but everytime I go and test drive one, I'm all excited as I nail it to the redline through the gears, but cruising back to the dealers leaves me totally underwhelmed..

Personally I'd prefer the newer 2.2 then, not because I can't drive (Well I probably can't), but it's the same performance but easier to 'cruise' around in..
If I could get away with using the roads as private racetrack 100% of the time the decision would be much easier..

eidolon · 11 Oct 2006 at 13:56

Demon said:
you are cruising along a back road in 6th at 50MPH

Why on earth would you be doing 50mph in 6th? :confused:

Vanilla · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:01

They have turbo VTEC's in Japan i think..

merlin · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:04

People turbo or supercharge vtec engines, Honda don't do it though.

Demon · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:06

eidolon said:
Why on earth would you be doing 50mph in 6th?

Driving normally in traffic to work?

:confused:

why on earth wouldn't I?

In most cars when tootling in traffic I am in top gear (5th or 6th depending on car) at 40MPH+ for fuel consumption, and the fact I am going with the flow.?

If you mean it needs to be driven hard for the 'reward' I already agree with that, but for me at least, I probably spend less than 10% of my time driving it at 100%, and if I was to buy a car that I only used in anger as a weekend toy I'd go for an elise/vx220..

Arc · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:13

Demon said:
you are cruising along a back road in 6th at 50MPH, and a hill looms up.. in 99% of cars, you'd just give it a little more throttle and you'd maintain the speed easily, in the S2000 it just dies, it's akin to a 125cc 2 stroke motorbike..

My my, changing down a gear must be so tiresome :rolleyes:

. If you want a laid back cruiser then get something that favours a lazy driver, e.g. big torquey engine with an autobox

.

I must admit it gets rather amusing when theres an s2000 thread in here

. I'm half tempted to go out and test drive one to see what its really like on the road......

eidolon · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:16

Demon said:
Driving normally in traffic to work?

why on earth wouldn't I?

That's your problem then. If you're a lazy driver that likes to trundle along at 50mph in 6th then you're in the wrong car, get yourself a turbo diesel as that'll suit you far better.

If you want to get from A to B without disturbing that stick thingy between the seats then that's fine, personally I like to be involved hence my love of VTEC/VVTLi nowadays.

Will Gill · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:27

Arc said:
My my, changing down a gear must be so tiresome . If you want a laid back cruiser then get something that favours a lazy driver, e.g. big torquey engine with an autobox .

I must admit it gets rather amusing when theres an s2000 thread in here . I'm half tempted to go out and test drive one to see what its really like on the road......

would certainly entitle you to an informed opinion

Demon · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:33

eidolon said:
That's your problem then. If you're a lazy driver that likes to trundle along at 50mph in 6th then you're in the wrong car, get yourself a turbo diesel as that'll suit you far better.

If you want to get from A to B without disturbing that stick thingy between the seats then that's fine, personally I like to be involved hence my love of VTEC/VVTLi nowadays.

I think you misunderstand me.. or perhaps I am lazy..
I ride bikes as well, and spent a few years on sports 600's, which lets face it is even more 'peaky' then the S2000, I loved it though..

And if you read the posts I did say I love the S2000 when you get a chance to 'play' with it..

What makes it a PITA for me is that I spend the Majority of the time in normal flowing traffic, where I still have to be going up and down the box just to maintain the flow, which is just totally unncessary, I do prefer to relax in these situations and get from A-B in a more tranquil state..

This for me pushes it more into an 'occasional' use vehicle, like the bikes are for me, which makes it look poor compared to the Elise/VX220

My my, changing down a gear must be so tiresome . If you want a laid back cruiser then get something that favours a lazy driver, e.g. big torquey engine with an autobox .

I must admit it gets rather amusing when theres an s2000 thread in here . I'm half tempted to go out and test drive one to see what its really like on the road......

You really want to, then you'd now the marmite effect of the power delivery!!!

And having now got access to an E39 M5, I've sampled a proper free revving NA car with more low down pull then a well endowed leprechaun...

D4VE · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:40

Will Gill said:
yes thanks, sitting next to a bubonic plague carrier and three kids all with ASBO's was more preferable to s2k driving

Fair play, personally Id drive anything over catching a bus.

Simon · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:55

It's no worse than any other 2.0litre engine, eg in a Mondeo. In fact its a lot lot better due to shorter gearing.

I never find the 'lack of torque' a problem. I guess you tend to be at higher revs than other engines. 4,000rpm feels like 2,500rpm though.

eidolon · 11 Oct 2006 at 14:59

Demon said:
What makes it a PITA for me is that I spend the Majority of the time in normal flowing traffic, where I still have to be going up and down the box just to maintain the flow, which is just totally unncessary, I do prefer to relax in these situations and get from A-B in a more tranquil state..

I dunno what it is but I just don't find that. With 9000 revs to play with you've got a nice wide powerband so you don't have to be changing up and down all the time.

Demon said:
This for me pushes it more into an 'occasional' use vehicle, like the bikes are for me, which makes it look poor compared to the Elise/VX220

Whilst I'd obviously take an Elise over an S2000 I would definitely consider one if I needed something a *little* bit more practical/comfortable but whilst still allowing me to have fun when I wanted to.

Simon · 11 Oct 2006 at 15:12

Main problem is that people compared the engine to other 240hp engines rather than other 2.0 NA engines.

Once you get over that you realise it's not low in torque at all. Its a mondeo engine till 6000rpm then goes into a true race car mode. (240hp from a race 2.0 is pretty impressive let alone a road engine)

Will Gill · 11 Oct 2006 at 15:35

but it is low in torque, woefully low, hills are a nighmare for the s2k, I racked up 36,000 miles in mine during 7 months of ownership, it was without a doubt the most useless performance car I've ever driven.

yeah its got a lovely powerband, but if you arent in it very near it you are driving a milk float.

its not reliable and its useless on petrol given the mediocre performance it returns! The hardtop rattled since day one of owning it and despite 5 visits to the garaage and a total new a pillar, bush, clip and mechanism it never stopped rattling, the engine had four new idle control thingies (the ones that you are reccomended to hit with a hammer to fix) the electrics failed, once on the hood, once for the windscreen wipers. The AC leaked.

Shoddy car with shoddy performance just hope a potential buyer reads this and walks well away