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Does Zen3 make the 8700k/8086k/9700k redundant or is high quality processing hardware now just affor

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Does Zen3 make the 8700k/8086k/9700k redundant or is high quality processing hardware now just affordable? I'm thinking of buying an 8700k rig second hand for around 1-1.4k. The only issue in my mind is now Zen 3 is here, is going down this road kind of a meh path compared to just building a new rig with a a 3700x or something.
 
That's really much for already some amount used PC with CPU full of vulnerabilities.
Those vulnerabilities and worser power efficiency are only thing Intel is going to have left.
Also 6 core/12 thread is going to be Zen2's low end and especially for something like £1200+ you should be looking at 8 cores/16 threads.
 
For people that already have them, I'd say no. They'll still be plenty powerful for years to come. If you're building a new rig though...then yes
 
Most of us are waiting for official benchmarks to come out and thats also the best thing to do if you are planning to get a new CPU.
 
another intel is doomed thread. how refreshing...:D wait for benchmarks and actual info. imagine if all the hype is hype.

what we do know about new amd cpus.

mobos have fans on chipset so extra noise
mobos even budget ones are 3 times dearer than normal.
there will be low stock on release. this is why no pre order anywhere
they will be expensive because of not many and gouged.
no actual benchmarks exist showing actual performance in real world scenarios.
vrms on many motherboards will overheat as they cant cope proven fact.

so yes intel are screwed. the single core ipc already shows that the new amd cpus are the same as a non k varient 8700. hold up.....there is 8700k , 9700k , 9900k... new 9900 series...higher end intel..... they must be screwed. :p

wait for benchmarks.

this forum is so pro amd its unreal...
 
I have an 8700k today which can handle everything with ease, when the new AMD chips are released I'll have an 8700k that can handle everything with ease.

So no it won't be redundant but there may be better chips on the market for less money.

Hope that answers your question :)

On a more serious note, Intel will have to answer back with better chips at lower prices. The winner in this competition will hopefully be us because both AMD and Intel are huge companies with far more money than we'll ever see. Let's not fall in love with either!

But that sounds a lot for a used system unless it has a 2080ti or suchlike in there?
 
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Sweetloaf said:
I have an 8700k today which can handle everything with ease, when the new AMD chips are released I'll have an 8700k that can handle everything with ease.

So no it won't be redundant but there may be better chips on the market for less money.

Hope that answers your question :)

On a more serious note, Intel will have to answer back with better chips at lower prices. The winner in this competition will hopefully be us because both AMD and Intel are huge companies with far more money than we'll ever see. Let's not fall in love with either!

But that sounds a lot for a used system unless it has a 2080ti or suchlike in there?
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Sorry I meant redundant in regards to a new purchase.

Yes, it does sound like a lot of money and I've decided against it. I think it had a 1080ti inside of it but its not really worth it for second hand, especially as I claim this as a business expense.
 
Redundant? As in ‘not or no longer needed or useful; superfluous’? If that were the case then why do so many people keep the same CPU’s for years? The 9 series CPU’s won’t suddenly stop working just because something new is out. They just won’t be the best in their price range any more and hopefully their revised prices will reflect that.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
another intel is doomed thread. how refreshing...:D wait for benchmarks and actual info. imagine if all the hype is hype.

what we do know about new amd cpus.

mobos have fans on chipset so extra noise
mobos even budget ones are 3 times dearer than normal.
there will be low stock on release. this is why no pre order anywhere
they will be expensive because of not many and gouged.
no actual benchmarks exist showing actual performance in real world scenarios.
vrms on many motherboards will overheat as they cant cope proven fact.

so yes intel are screwed. the single core ipc already shows that the new amd cpus are the same as a non k varient 8700. hold up.....there is 8700k , 9700k , 9900k... new 9900 series...higher end intel..... they must be screwed. :p

wait for benchmarks.

this forum is so pro amd its unreal...
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You can use x370, b450, and x470 motherboards eliminating the fan issue.
x570 is the top line of motherboards which is why they are expensive. They are also introducing PCIE 4.0. If you do not need this then you can use an older board.
There is no proof that there will be low stock.
Gibbo has confirmed the price of the 3600 at £188.99 and the other CPU's will be priced at RRP
No benchmarks have been released for the entire product stack because there is an NDA. But the 3600 leaks look promising.
If the vrms could not cope with a drop in chip, then bios updates would not be provided for the older boards. It was questioned whether the older boards would get the updates. But they are now being released.

How can the single core IPC be the same as the 8700 and not the 8700k when they are the same cpu with one unlocked and one which isn't?
Earlier in your point you said no actual benchmarks exist showing actual performance in real world scenarios, so how can you then make this assertion???
The leaks show that it is actually ahead of the 8700k in the majority of applications, although this will not be confirmed until sunday most likely.
We also do not know if the Intel vulnerability patches have been applied. They were not when AMD did their own comparison when making the announcement.

Intel are "screwed" as it stands if they keep the high prices but they can counter by dropping them. From the way it is looking it makes far more sense to get one of last years AMD boards and drop in a 3600/3700x as this would cost significantly less without a price drop, with less security concerns.
 
Wucked said:
Redundant? As in ‘not or no longer needed or useful; superfluous’? If that were the case then why do so many people keep the same CPU’s for years? The 9 series CPU’s won’t suddenly stop working just because something new is out. They just won’t be the best in their price range any more and hopefully their revised prices will reflect that.
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Redundant as a current day purchase
 
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