Don't make it such a mystery, gay history, gay history...
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Yes, look! Here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_historycleanbluesky said:
Is it a separate history from everyone else? Of course not. But in the same way that we can study the history of, say, British mercantilism in the 1700s, or the history of the Ku Klux Klan, we can study the history of the gay rights movement, and historical attitudes towards homosexuality. You don't study history in isolation, but you can focus on the developments of a particular movement, or of a particular group of people.
Does it need a month to itself? Perhaps not. But since it doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form (hell, you hadn't even noticed it until five minutes ago) I don't see why you're so upset.
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No, people want to be able to be different without being persecuted for it. I don't think that's too much to ask.Skyfall said:
There was a good article on the Guardian website the other day about Gay Rights in the UK, life certainly wasn't easy for gay people 40 years ago. Keeping a high profile will help ensure we never return to that level of oppression again.
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Arcade Fire said:
Oh, I'm just emotional like that... I guess its the Gay History in me.
I wasn't so much upset by the idea that history can be studied in parallel. It was more your use of the term 'they' in conjunction with talking about a history.
Is Oscar Wilde not part of 'our' history or do you think it should be 'theirs'...
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How about both?cleanbluesky said:
Thats the problem, its not about persecution, its about discrimination. Persecution is a deliberate mistreatment, where discrimination is the arbitrary differentiation of one thing from another.Arcade Fire said:
For example, women's rights, it is undeniable that men are better suited to some jobs than women and women better suited to some jobs than men, mentally and physically. Yet employers can't consider the gender of an individual in their hiring process... And if they do they get stick for it.
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Skyfall said:
Why should gender matter at all? All that an employer needs to consider is who will be better at the job. If a job has a man and three women applying for it, and the man is better than the women, then there's no sexual discrimination if he gets the job. It's not like companies are obliged to hire equal numbers of men and women. You have your knickers in a twist over nothing.
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Arcade Fire said:
But you are referring to 'them' as 'they'? Hence not 'us'...
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Is this the bit where you pick up one tiny detail of my post and try to pretend that my entire argument is based around it?cleanbluesky said:
I obviously don't mean that the history of the gay rights movement is completely separate from everything else, so why pretend that I do?
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Does this mean people cant be upset about things that don’t directly affect them?. If its taking place within our society, if its being celebrated in our schools ect then it affects each and every one of us imo.ArcadeFire said:
I wonder why instead of celebrating individual differences we cant have a month dedicated to cultural diversity as a whole and do away with the whole issue.
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Arcade Fire said:
No, its the point where I examine what you have said and ask you why you have said it.
I've not 'pretended' anything, I am curious as to whether you would like it if homosexuals were somehow seperate from 'us'?
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In what way? If you're asking me if I'm in favour of segregation, then of course I'm not. I'm trying hard to believe that you're asking me a serious question, and not just being a facetious little twerp, but I'm finding it difficult!cleanbluesky said:
The reason I referred to the homosexual community as 'they' is because it's a group of people that I'm not part of. Just like I'd referred to muslims, scientologists, firemen, aliens or the Greek pantheon as 'they'.
Can't help but find some of these posts are just offensive.
Fair enough some gay people are annoying and the "We're not different!!!!" movement gets on my nerves there's no call for such statements.
A lot of gay people are just the same as everyone else, please keep that in mind.
Fair enough some gay people are annoying and the "We're not different!!!!" movement gets on my nerves there's no call for such statements.
A lot of gay people are just the same as everyone else, please keep that in mind.
. I'm not trying to offend either, I genuinely feel sorry for you 
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Skyfall said:
Which jobs is that then?