Cool. When I'm bored of Skyrim, I'll give it a blast.
Just watched the video - awesome. Seen these big ol' Mercs before and they're very entertaining.
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Cool. When I'm bored of Skyrim, I'll give it a blast.
Just watched the video - awesome. Seen these big ol' Mercs before and they're very entertaining.
Clutch manufacturers will have to increase their capacity to that of incandescent bulb manufacturers if diesel tuning is the future.
Remaps and cheap mods will see fairly substantial gains, but once you start going further with bigger injectors, turbos, intercoolers etc. the results really do start to get very impressive. For example, Darkside Developments took a standard PD130 VW Jetta and with the mods mentioned above it now puts out 320bhp and 420lbft and pulls from 2000rpm all the way to 6,000rpm. That's all on standard internals and gearbox too...just an uprated clutch single mass flywheel. They're currently doing a little more fettling and hoping to see upwards of 360bhp.
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I can never pick up sarcasm on the internet but I'm hoping that I got this one
You did
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How much did this cost?
What would the labour cost be?
[TW]Fox;21615101 said:
I'd hazard a guess that even for the cost of a pack of smarties and a twix you'd question why you'd tune a diesel engine
The tuning market has a million and one niches and there are plenty of people interested in tuning the less obvious marques. Darkside operate a very successful business where tuning these VAG TDI lumps is a major source of income for them. Plus don't forget that's the bleeding edge of TDI tuning right now - the simple remap and decat trick is what most people go for and that can be done for sub £500.
You remember the legitimate dyno proven gains we got on my Leon don't you?
Those sorts of figures can't be sniffed at and for those open to running a diesel.
I'd hazard a guess that even for the cost of a pack of smarties and a twix you'd question why you'd tune a diesel engine
Not at all. My position on diesels is often misunderstood. Would it shock you if I told you there is a 90% chance my next car will be a diesel?
I completely understand the market for that. Tuning that exceeds the cars value not so - if you are going money-no-object mods then why would you pick a PD 130 as a base? The PD 130 is an engine you'll chose for financial considerations, to then spend more than the cars value on mods kinda makes it a pointless base. What does a 1.8T with the same money spent on end up with?
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Exactly the point i was going to make, why throw 4k at a PD130 when you could throw 4k at a 1.8T and have a much better car at the end of it.
people are strange creatures tbh
but in regards to diesel tuning,
a fried of mine has a 1.9 tdi golf with nowt more than a hybrid turbo a intercooler stolen from some commecial and some custom mapping,
this diesel golf was faster than my stock LCR and would give it a run for its money well into stupid speeds even after i modified it to 280+ bhp.
guys are getting a healthy 240 bhp out of the 2l tdi lumps with nothing more than a hybrid turbo and a remap (circa a grand of parts) and if you dont want to fit yourself about 5 hours labout to fit.
now do that you end up with a car that can mix it with some potent hot hatches and then some and still give you uper MPGZ on the commute monday to friday.
drop 4k on a pd130 and chances are you can still eek 40mpg out of it monday to friday try doing that with a big turbo 300+ bhp 1.8T
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It would shock me yes.
Obviously the darkside lads chose it because they wanted something to showcase their abilities - same way people whack Hayabusa engines in Smart cars or two VR6 lumps in a lupo.
Personally speaking - as I am going to be venturing down that route with the Leon - I'm not concerned about cost effectiveness. That's not to say it's an open chequebook by any stretch, but I'm doing it because it's something different.
I don't just want a quick car I want something that you don't see all the time. I could easily sell the Leon now, pocket the money I'll spend on tuning it and get myself a Skyline or an older M3 or..or...or.
Fact is I don't want to. I have the Leon, I like the car and it fits my needs perfectly. I travel a lot with my job, I need the cargo space for my gear, I need the towbar to lug motocross trailers around, I like that on a run down to spain for a shoot I can see off 60mpg with a car full of gear, luggage and my assistant. I like the way it looks in that it's not in your face but it's nice enough that I take a cheeky look back at it when I park it up.
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Forgot to answer the 1.8T vs 1.9TDI...
As Delta has said, it's about having the best of both worlds. Can I flip the question around on you, why would you prefer a 1.8T over a 1.9TDI?
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I do question the MPG point tuned diesel owners make, they seem to care about saving money but don't give a second thought bolting on 4k's worth of mods, with this in mind i'm going to assume the mpg thus savings idea is somewhat null and void.
I'm in no doubt you can make a diesel car quick, it's been proven time and time again, however i just don't see the point in putting up with a diesel engine, wouldn't anyone rather have the 1.8T, it's a much more refined and better to drive unit with a wide powerband (with the right turbo fitted).
I'm in no doubt you can make a diesel car quick, it's been proven time and time again, however i just don't see the point in putting up with a diesel engine, wouldn't anyone rather have the 1.8T, it's a much more refined and better to drive unit with a wide powerband (with the right turbo fitted).
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As I suspected, because you think I hate all diesels simply because they are diesels which isn't the case.
Because it'll have a wider powerband, better power delivery and it won't clatter and vibrate the cabin at the traffic lights.
[TW]Fox;21615393 said:
Could you elaborate further on the "better" power delivery part? It certainly won't produce as much torque so for real world driving the wider power band is negated by the need to change down when you want to give it the beans.
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Plus the power band on that Jetta for example is between 2k and 6k - that's a 4k power band...what petrol car has a noticeably bigger power band than that??
I'm not sure there will ever be a diesel vs. petrol argument that would make me pick a winning side. My interest is in tuning diesels and I've yet to hear anybody come up with a legitimate and informed reason behind why it's better to stick to petrols. On the other hand, there are circumstances where I'd definitely want a petrol engine under the bonnet instead of a diesel boat anchor - and I suspect that's where our opinions are very different as you can never see the point in a diesel engine in a fast road or race application.