Driving Other Than In Accordance With A Licence

M0T said:
Well all those charges were dropped apart from the driving with excess alcohol one for which I was fined £243 and given 20 months driving ban reduced to 15 months on completion of a driver awareness course.

What was your reading by breath? Or did they back-calculate it to when you drove the car?
 
Trojan said:
Not quite... iirc he got in the car and drove it down the road whilst ****** out of his skull. Hardly the right thing, is it?

****** out of his skull?

Where did you get that information from?

I seem to remember he set off home and when the open air hit him, he started to feel a bit drunk... hence why he stopped.

I've driven after having consumed alcohol (albeit not proud of it) and felt fine until 5 minutes down the road, where the fresh air started to make me feel tipsy.
 
Well I was going to sell the car anyway so I'll still sell it.

The reason the ban was 20 months and not shorter is because I told them I couldn't afford to keep the car and was going to sell it before the event anyway. So they realised a 12 month ban wasn't going to have much of an effect, and I couldn't afford a hefty fine so they increased the ban to compensate.
 
agw_01 said:
****** out of his skull?

Where did you get that information from?

I did say if I remember correctly...

Anyway, just looked through the original thread, and I'm not far wrong. When tested down at the police station, he was twice the legal limit. Bear in mind that this will likely have been hour or so after he'd been driving and his alcohol level will have dropped in that time...
 
M0T said:
The reason the ban was 20 months and not shorter is because I told them I couldn't afford to keep the car and was going to sell it before the event anyway. So they realised a 12 month ban wasn't going to have much of an effect, and I couldn't afford a hefty fine so they increased the ban to compensate.

D'oh! Should have kept your mouth shut :p
 
agw_01 said:
****** out of his skull?

Where did you get that information from?

I seem to remember he set off home and when the open air hit him, he started to feel a bit drunk... hence why he stopped.

I've driven after having consumed alcohol (albeit not proud of it) and felt fine until 5 minutes down the road, where the fresh air started to make me feel tipsy.
He said elsewhere that he blew over twice the legal limit, that's not "starting to feel a bit drunk".

I've got some sympathy for him for stopping, but between the time he set off and when he stopped he could've easily hit and killed someone. Would you feel sympathetic then? I don't really think something like this can be compared to speeding because speeding is very circumstantial, and "we all do it", etc.

I don't really see how it is a World apart from mugging/beating someone and then turning yourself in. The act of turning yourself in doesn't make you a better person in the grand scheme of things, you've still done something very abhorrent in the first place.

I've been tempted to drink & drive before, mainly when I can't be bothered to sort out a lift home, but I've always managed to remind myself just how tormented I would end up if I run someone down whilst unfit through drink.....
 
Durzel said:
I don't really see how it is a World apart from mugging/beating someone and then turning yourself in. The act of turning yourself in doesn't make you a better person in the grand scheme of things.

As in this situation the OP didn't actually harm anyone, nor turn himself in, I can't see how this is appropriate? :confused:
 
agw_01 said:
Ah ok, I must have missed the part about him blowing twice over the limit.

So did I. I thought he blew late 50's, but I may have that confused with someone else in the original thread, hence why I asked again earlier in the thread.

Chinese whispers? Or just my dodgy memory?
 
Kingy said:
As in this situation the OP didn't actually harm anyone, nor turn himself in, I can't see how this is appropriate? :confused:
I said its not a World apart from it, not that its exactly the same, I'm saying the mentality isn't that different. What I'm saying is that if you did mug someone, and later turned yourself in - the fact you turned yourself in doesn't make you a good person, nor does it make that person worthy of praise or sympathy of the sort seen in the previous thread.

M0T did "the right thing" by stopping when he did - but it was pure luck that he didn't hit/kill someone before he did, so therefore he shouldn't really be praised for it (although, as I said, I have some sympathy for stopping and even posting a thread about it).

I don't agree with the people who previously said (paraphrased) "if you hadn't stopped you probably wouldn't have got caught! You should've kept going", etc. Opportunist crime shouldn't be lauded.
 
Durzel said:
I said its not a World apart from it, not that its exactly the same, I'm saying the mentality isn't that different.

I disagree with that. If you've had one (or even several) too many, and make it home without having (or causing) an accident, then technically no-one is any worse off. That situation can never occur with a robbery/mugging. Mentality-wise, no mugger can claim not have not meant to cause harm, while simple naivety can (and apparently did) can lead to cases like this.

Durzel said:
What I'm saying is that if you did mug someone, and later turned yourself in - the fact you turned yourself in doesn't make you a good person, nor does it make that person worthy of praise or sympathy of the sort seen in the previous thread.

While not applicable here (as we've both said) I agree that turning yourself in doesn't make you a 'good person', but it's generally perceived to mean you're a better person than those who don't turn themselves in, as it shows regret/remorse.

Durzel said:
M0T did "the right thing" by stopping when he did - but it was pure luck that he didn't hit/kill someone before he did, so therefore he shouldn't really be praised for it (although, as I said, I have some sympathy for stopping and even posting a thread about it).

I also disagree with the notion that it was 'pure luck'. While you are statistically more likely to have an accident when DUI, I wouldn't say that it was only luck that prevented a certain accident (if that was being implied).

Durzel said:
I don't agree with the people who previously said (paraphrased) "if you hadn't stopped you probably wouldn't have got caught! You should've kept going", etc. Opportunist crime shouldn't be lauded.

I agree with this, while those people were probably correct (for the reason stated above), it's not right, although it is arguable that 'doing the right thing' was at least part of the reason that he was caught.
 
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Kingy said:
I disagree with that. If you've had one (or even several) too many, and make it home without having (or causing) an accident, then technically no-one is any worse off. That situation can never occur with a robbery/mugging. Mentality-wise, no mugger can claim not have not meant to cause harm, while simple naivety can (and apparently did) can lead to cases like this.
Fair point, maybe the mugging analogy wasn't that accurate.
 
I read my police report, the officers proposed that I be given a leniant sentance for being extremely helpful and repentant. I'm sure for most people its pretty easy to be repentant when you have been caught. I'm glad that the punishment for this sort of thing is so harsh because it will dissuade others from commiting the crime.

I'd just like to say that whilst I made a stupid error its not something I had ever done before and it was one moment of madness in almost 20 years of my life. Doing something like this doesn't define my personality and I am still the same guy I was 3 weeks ago, albeit with a bicycle.
 
Accidents can happen to anyone drunk or sober.

My dad hit a woman when completely stone cold sober and she died. He wasn't charged because it wasn't his fault.

I know that I made a stupid mistake which I will live with for a very long time, and am just happy that no one did get hurt.
 
Driving Other Than In Accordance With A Licence
This isn't as straight forward as it seems. It doesn't always mean you are not licenced to drive the vehicle. It sometimes means that your not driving in accordance with the highway code.
 
M0T said:
I read my police report, the officers proposed that I be given a leniant sentance for being extremely helpful and repentant. I'm sure for most people its pretty easy to be repentant when you have been caught. I'm glad that the punishment for this sort of thing is so harsh because it will dissuade others from commiting the crime.

I'd just like to say that whilst I made a stupid error its not something I had ever done before and it was one moment of madness in almost 20 years of my life. Doing something like this doesn't define my personality and I am still the same guy I was 3 weeks ago, albeit with a bicycle.

so did they take your licence off you in court or can you still use it for trackdays and such? 15months is a long time without driving.
 
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