ds mario kart cheaters?

MNuTz · 20 Dec 2006 at 19:01

Tony Williams said:
I wouldn't call snaking, cheating. Since no one gets an advantage.

apart from the person doing it!!

If no one got an advantage why would they bother doing it in the first place??

To me, its like spawn killing, a dirty tactic that people learn when they arent good enough to play the game it was meant to be played.

The Running Man · 20 Dec 2006 at 19:07

MNuTz said:
apart from the person doing it!!

If no one got an advantage why would they bother doing it in the first place??

To me, its like spawn killing, a dirty tactic that people learn when they arent good enough to play the game it was meant to be played.

exactly, its akin to base camping/spawn killing, and also bunny hopping etc...all technically part of the games physics, but completely kills all notion of fun for the players of the game.

as i said above, i dont see how boost benefits Mario Kart tbh, and i would like to see it pulled from the game. but then i would also like to see a great wifi remake of the original (and the best) mario kart from the snes.

ojste · 20 Dec 2006 at 19:12

no one gets an advantage if both people can do it...

and regarding spawn camping yes its dirty but surely if they are rubbish players then you can quite easily kill them? think about it, people only ever get to spawn camp if the opposition is weaker... its not like that player is just dropped onto your spawn point to camp you. at least thats the case for me in fps's ive played where spawn camping was possible.

The Running Man · 20 Dec 2006 at 19:22

ojste said:
no one gets an advantage if both people can do it...

and regarding spawn camping yes its dirty but surely if they are rubbish players then you can quite easily kill them? think about it, people only ever get to spawn camp if the opposition is weaker... its not like that player is just dropped onto your spawn point to camp you. at least thats the case for me in fps's ive played where spawn camping was possible.

whats to say the opponent isnt a good player? but still likes to base camp because it makes it easier to get a higher score? his team could be winning/losing/drawing but that doesnt stop him from doing it.

try BF2 and spot the red circle snipers, the base huggers, its simply frustrating to spwan and die before you are able to move. yet its part of the game no?

MNuTz · 20 Dec 2006 at 19:25

ojste said:
no one gets an advantage if both people can do it...

and regarding spawn camping yes its dirty but surely if they are rubbish players then you can quite easily kill them? think about it, people only ever get to spawn camp if the opposition is weaker... its not like that player is just dropped onto your spawn point to camp you. at least thats the case for me in fps's ive played where spawn camping was possible.

but i dont want to do it, i want to race properly, as was intended.

As for spawn camping, if a rubbish player kills you as you spawn you cant do anything. And in games like COD, you can be lying there shooting the hell out of people only to find the spawn point has moved and now your right in the middle of it. I was playing BF2 today and we had 3 uncapturable spawn points, but that didnt stop the losers coming in and killing us we spawned!

If your like me, you pull out while defending yourself. You dont stay there blowing the hell out of people when they spawn just to get your points up! Its no fun for them and they are 'empty' points.

ojste · 20 Dec 2006 at 19:46

ive never played bf or cod, but those are the types of fps's with huge maps right? and i guess the problems of that is your saying any old joe could just get to a certain point undetected and camp your spawn with a sniper rifle? i can see the problem, but i cant really say anything since i have no experience with that. like the said, in the fps's ive played where spawn camping was possible eg. sof2, et and ut2k4 (assualt), they are much smaller maps and are in even smaller sections where you'd have to fight past waves of people to get to a spawn point to camp. eg. if your rubbish, you wont get to the spawn point.

MNuTz said:
but i dont want to do it, i want to race properly, as was intended.

i can understand that, but i guess the only real solution is to find like minded players if possible and play with them, or if your really competitive like me, you'd learn and it (hopefully) beat them.

i wouldnt even have compared spawn camping to snaking anyway, as i see spawn camping as pretty low and negative, whilst snaking is a positive technique which brings more to the table and it raises the level at which the game is played. Spawn camping is something else, and wth my experiences of spawn camping you basically earn the right to do it because you have pushed the opposition so far back that you've got nowhere else to go.. though it seems like you can just choose to do it in cod, bf etc.

The Running Man · 20 Dec 2006 at 19:58

ojste said:
ive never played bf or cod, but those are the types of fps's with huge maps right? and i guess the problems of that is your saying any old joe could just get to a certain point undetected and camp your spawn with a sniper rifle?

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yep. the maps are big. they could be heli dropped in, or even drive a vehicle to a far off point and may remain undetected until they are spotted/hounded down.

you say its positive, but you may be bias because you actively do it, (in the same way a camper may say that it takes skill and effort to remain concealed... etc..)

we say it is negative, and we are bias because we dont do it. who is right? i dunno but i dont really bother playing online anymore because the experience is totally ruined and far removed from what i think the original mario kart concept aimed for.

sc(+)pe · 20 Dec 2006 at 21:14

It sure took me a while to master my snaking technique. When I play online though I only snake if other players do it, by that I mean constantly doing it down the straights, if its just round corners then i race pretty much normally and my thumb personally thanks all those im driving against. Snaking is gonna get me a RSI!

Vonhelmet · 20 Dec 2006 at 22:39

I'd say it is abuse, rather than cheating. Drifting is a skill, and hitting the right line round a corner is a huge help in the game, but I think drifting all the time is abusing something to the detriment of others. I think you're playing the game far and away beyond what was intended, and not in a good way.

Kreeeee · 21 Dec 2006 at 14:47

mr.sly · 21 Dec 2006 at 14:55

For those people who want to get good at 'snaking' try following this tutorial:

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/8119

The Running Man · 21 Dec 2006 at 14:56

Kreeeee said:
Sorry for the delay I was on holiday in Geneva.

Snaking is NOT cheating and mario kart DS (as well as MK64 and MKDD, snaking has existed for aaaages) was designed with it firmly in mind. It's even stated on the nintendo official websites. People call it "cheating" because they thought they were good at mario kart until they went online, the same will happen with smash brothers with L cancelling and wavedashing, people just aren't as good at these games as they thought they were.

can you quote for me the nintendo website where it says that snaking is recommended?

if you read above, the consensus is that its not cheating more that its just lame. like spawn camping in BF perfectly legal, but less fun for all involved tbh....

Kreeeee · 21 Dec 2006 at 15:24

The Running Man · 21 Dec 2006 at 15:46

hi as i said can you get a quote for me i cant get onto the nintendo website atm!

the only way mario kart would be dull without it, is if its a poorly designed game.

ojste · 21 Dec 2006 at 15:48

Nickg said:
if you read above, the consensus is that its not cheating more that its just lame. like spawn camping in BF perfectly legal, but less fun for all involved tbh....

i wish you would stop comparing snaking to spawn camping..

you should try some beat'em'ups where people actually use glitches as part of their tactics!

games would be so boring if they followed to strict rules and based on real life

Kreeeee · 21 Dec 2006 at 15:52

The Running Man · 21 Dec 2006 at 16:01

ojste said:
i wish you would stop comparing snaking to spawn camping..

why?

Kreeeee said:
Mario kart is well designed to incorperate snaking, games series must evolve and those stuck in the SNES days really should move on/grow up a bit

hmm what if they dont want to? and what if the majority dont want to?

ill relate to you my online experience, id like your thoughts;

I join a game along with 3 other peeps.
the first race starts, 1 guy zips off into the distance,
ill usually sit around 2nd 3rd.
2,3rd swap positions, 1st stays well out there.

race finishes.

Player 3 and 4 quit.
leaving me and snaker to duke it out for 3 further races... zzzzzz

Fun = zero

and this is not an isolated experience that has happened in virtually every online match ive had!

ojste · 21 Dec 2006 at 16:22

why is the person who has taken the time to practice a new technique which is clearly better than the "standard" way of racing getting punished because others cant be bothered to learn?

that is the way i see. the one snaker is clearly not cheating (i know we have all established snaking is not cheating, im just pointing out that that person is doing nothing wrong.)

you still dont see what is different with this than sitting somewhere concealed with a sniper rifle shooting people as they spawn?

Kreeeee · 21 Dec 2006 at 16:24

barnettgs · 21 Dec 2006 at 16:30

Nickg said:
I join a game along with 3 other peeps.
the first race starts, 1 guy zips off into the distance,
ill usually sit around 2nd 3rd.
2,3rd swap positions, 1st stays well out there.

race finishes.

Player 3 and 4 quit.
leaving me and snaker to duke it out for 3 further races... zzzzzz

Fun = zero

and this is not an isolated experience that has happened in virtually every online match ive had!

Exactly my experience.

I had tried out snaking in practice and it is such a hard work that took out all the fun in Mario Kart. For me, it's a matter of buttons mashing at right timing...Straight line?...snaking! Corner?...snaking! S-bends?....Snaking! :rolleyes:

I'm not competitive person, thats the problem. I see myself playing games just for fun.