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dx10
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taz488 for a card to be compatable with a certain version of direct X and lower it is required to have a certain set of instructions imprinted into its chip, im afraid its not as easy as buying any old card and just upgrading the DirectX software each time a new DX softwarec generation comes out (with the acception of updates to the current direct X platfroms, for example, DX9.0c.
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The R600 and G80 will proably cost around £400. Even then I wouldn't get one cause DX10 games won't start to appear until next summer, also a new set of cards will be released by then making the purchase of the R600/G80 pointless.
Unless you want the fastest direct x 9.c card, then you buy the new core GPUs , but to be honest, bigger and better ones will come out by then
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To clear this up a little:
The current cards are DirectX 9 at a hardware level. They can still run DirectX 10 applications though through software
Hardware DirectX 10 cards aren't released yet
The current cards are DirectX 9 at a hardware level. They can still run DirectX 10 applications though through software
Hardware DirectX 10 cards aren't released yet
There will of course be mid sector and budget DX10 cards, probably not too long after the top-end stuff. Also no game that hopes to sell well is going to ship without a DX9 mode for older cards. Your average game today ships with DX9, DX8 and DX7 renderers.
DX10 isn't worth worrying about right now and shouldn't stop you buying a new DX9 card.
As for DX9 cards running DX10 apps in software, I'm not sure that's right. I seem to remember software emulation being dumped from DirectX somewhere along the line since it was too slow to be of any use, and of course Microsoft don't have the time to write software emulation routines for every DX feature.
A well coded DX10 app will either omit a feature, or just fall back on supported DX9 features. A lot of the functionality is the same of course, so a fairly modest DX10 app can still run on a DX9 card, but when you start getting into DX10-only features, like the new shaders, they won't work on DX9 cards and the coders will have to anticipate that and fall back on DX9 shaders.
I think that's right anyway, it's a while since I've done any DX coding.
DX10 isn't worth worrying about right now and shouldn't stop you buying a new DX9 card.
As for DX9 cards running DX10 apps in software, I'm not sure that's right. I seem to remember software emulation being dumped from DirectX somewhere along the line since it was too slow to be of any use, and of course Microsoft don't have the time to write software emulation routines for every DX feature.
A well coded DX10 app will either omit a feature, or just fall back on supported DX9 features. A lot of the functionality is the same of course, so a fairly modest DX10 app can still run on a DX9 card, but when you start getting into DX10-only features, like the new shaders, they won't work on DX9 cards and the coders will have to anticipate that and fall back on DX9 shaders.
I think that's right anyway, it's a while since I've done any DX coding.
Úlfhednar said:
Nuh-uh,
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106752
S3 are the first to show a dx10/sm4 card.
So you are advising the OP to buy a low-mid range graphics card with 256MB video memory at a maximum for DirectX 10, by a company that's been out of the graphics arena for a good few years?lay-z-boy said:
When you're done picking nits, we can actually talk about this topic.
Úlfhednar said:So you are advising the OP to buy a low-mid range graphics card with 256MB video memory at a maximum for DirectX 10, by a company that's been out of the graphics arena for a good few years?
When you're done picking nits, we can actually talk about this topic.
1, he wasnt advising, mearly stating that ATI and Nvidia Do Not have the first DX10 cards. Read posts properly.
2, whats wrong with having 256mb memory, even under DX10 the mid ranges will still use 256mb.
3, S3 havent been out of the graphics business for years, they have a wide range of products from AGP to PCI-E and IGP although energy saving IGP`s with its own memory seems to be where they have focused. But S3`s markets are now primarily in America and the Asian Markets. hence why you dont see much of them in europe any more.
4, next time do your homework, oh and if you have nits please take them else where.
S3 just made their "comeback" with Chrome and it's not popular, and I seriously doubt that this graphics card will run Crysis in DirectX 10 mode as it is a low/mid-range solution.
So, there was absolutely no point in mentioning it other than to pick a nit. So, if you're finished...?
So, there was absolutely no point in mentioning it other than to pick a nit. So, if you're finished...?
Úlfhednar said:
the unichrome architectures been around for over 2 years. and no im not finished as there is no need for you to be so hostile... he was just pointing out that Nvidia and ATI are not the first with DX10 cards is all, im sure he didnt mean it as a personal insult to yourself or your knowledge ok ?
and im sure the S3 card will run Crysis in DX10, just not in any fashion above low to medium detail, but then it all depends on how well the team codes Crysis, just look at Half life 2, runs great on a FX5200 up to the top of the range beasts.
lol, seems i offended Úlfhednar quite badly.
locutus12, thanks for pointing a few things out.
You dont have the card, the game or anything to do with dx10, speculate as much as you like as it could be a good card.
I posted it to point out there are already dx10 cards, this one has quite a few features that you can see by the pictures i never claimed it was top end stuff to run the latest games at super high settings etc.
But as a midrange card it should at least be around the levels of the x1600/x1800gto/7600.
locutus12, thanks for pointing a few things out.
You dont have the card, the game or anything to do with dx10, speculate as much as you like as it could be a good card.
I posted it to point out there are already dx10 cards, this one has quite a few features that you can see by the pictures i never claimed it was top end stuff to run the latest games at super high settings etc.
But as a midrange card it should at least be around the levels of the x1600/x1800gto/7600.
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1.) From what I've read, the difference between DX9 and DX10 is considerably less than the jump from DX8 to DX9, which means SM3.0/HDR cards still have a long way to go yet.
2.) Also as I recall the Crysis demos were run on current DX9 hardware.
3.) Also, judging by the Conroe benchmarks, most high end GPUs still have a lot of untapped potential in them.
2.) Also as I recall the Crysis demos were run on current DX9 hardware.
3.) Also, judging by the Conroe benchmarks, most high end GPUs still have a lot of untapped potential in them.
titaniumx3 said:
a quick example for you... an X1900XT-X has more processing power than the IBM Supercomputer known as Deep Blue which beat reigning World Chess Champion, Garry Kasparov in 1997
but make no mistake, the jump from DX9 to DX 10 is a large one, but it will probably be a full year before we start to see the full potential of DX10
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Is there proof of the difference between DX9 and 10, DX10 being a big jump?