Wow phoenix could you be a little more patronising and full of ---- please because that was subtle it went right over my head. "There's never been so many troubles with any other windows OS." right ok m8 if you say so i can remember a hell of a lot of people and organisations that had big problems with xp and as for windows 95 that kept techies going for months and months after release. This is what really annoys me people trying to sound like they are an authority on something and then spout complete and utter rubbish about something.